"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)

[Admiral Beez]

I don't get why any American would be against US support of Ukraine. The majority reason the US has a postwar military whatsoever is to prepare to smack the Russians and deter the Chinese, along with keeping both Russia and China's 3d world vassals in check. With this in mind, the US gets to accomplish all these goals, gets to near-irrecoverably kneecap the Russian military and for a generation destroy Russia's prestige and influence in the world, all for a fraction of what it would cost the US to do it directly, and with zero American lives risked or lost.

When this is over in 2024, with half a million dead Russians alongside a shattered Russian military and economy, a strong and united NATO, and Western defence spending and capability stronger than ever before this century, it will have been a huge victory for the US.

 

[GTX]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/16/russia-200th-brigade-decimated-ukraine/

 

[GTX]

US to send $1.8 billion in aid, Patriot battery, to Ukraine

Officials tell The Associated Press the U.S. will send $1.8 billion in military aid to Ukraine in a massive package that will for the first time include a Patriot missile battery and precision-guided bombs for their fighter jets.

apnews.com

 

[Greg Boeser]

I don't get why any American would be against US support of Ukraine. The majority reason the US has a postwar military whatsoever is to prepare to smack the Russians and deter the Chinese, along with keeping both Russia and China's 3d world vassals in check. With this in mind, the US gets to accomplish all these goals, gets to near-irrecoverably kneecap the Russian military and for a generation destroy Russia's prestige and influence in the world, all for a fraction of what it would cost the US to do it directly, and with zero American lives risked or lost.

When this is over in 2024, with half a million dead Russians alongside a shattered Russian military and economy, a strong and united NATO, and Western defence spending and capability stronger than ever before this century, it will have been a huge victory for the US.

It's that warped idea that anything your political opponent is doing must be opposed.

 

[GrauGeist]

I don't get why any American would be against US support of Ukraine. The majority reason the US has a postwar military whatsoever is to prepare to smack the Russians and deter the Chinese, along with keeping both Russia and China's 3d world vassals in check. With this in mind, the US gets to accomplish all these goals, gets to near-irrecoverably kneecap the Russian military and for a generation destroy Russia's prestige and influence in the world, all for a fraction of what it would cost the US to do it directly, and with zero American lives risked or lost.

When this is over in 2024, with half a million dead Russians alongside a shattered Russian military and economy, a strong and united NATO, and Western defence spending and capability stronger than ever before this century, it will have been a huge victory for the US.

There is a faction, mostly among younger Americans, who beleive Putin is a great leader and is acting rightfully.

The problem here, is that their lack of world history colors their grasp of current events and aren't given to critical thinking, but instead, base their opinions on well worded misinformation sources.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

There is a faction, mostly among younger Americans, who beleive Putin is a great leader and is acting rightfully.

The problem here, is that their lack of world history colors their grasp of current events and aren't given to critical thinking, but instead, base their opinions on well worded misinformation sources.

In my neck of the woods it isn't because they are young that they believe Putin is a great leader. In fact most are not young. They do watch a certain news source though. I'll leave it at that, because we all are starting to go down another rabbit hole we should not go.

 

[buffnut453]

The problem here, is that their lack of world history colors their grasp of current events and aren't given to critical thinking, but instead, base their opinions on well worded misinformation sources.

Like those 2 talking heads, one a professor the other a retired US Army colonel, who were spouting about how successful Russia is being.

When reviewing/watching any news article or opinion piece, it's as important to listen for what's NOT being said as it is to question the points that are made.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Negotiations continue - but quietly.

Negotiations on whether to send F-16s and Patriots to Ukraine continue — but quietly

Ukraine has stopped asking for high-tech weapons in public. But that doesn’t mean they don’t want them.

www.politico.com

Fingers crossed that negotiations you posted in Sept will lead to an announcement tomorrow, or unannounced action on F-16s and Patriots in January.

 

[GTX]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy meets Joe Biden as the US pledges billions more for Ukraine defence

The visit is the Ukraine president's first overseas trip since Russia invaded 300 days ago and comes after the US has announced another $US1.85 billion ($2.75 billion) in military aid for Ukraine including a Patriot air defence system.

www.abc.net.au

Live: Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is holding a press conference in Washington with Joe Biden

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is in the United States' capital to meet with President Joe Biden and address the US Congress during his first known overseas trip since Russia's invasion.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

When this is over in 2024, with half a million dead Russians alongside a shattered Russian military and economy, a strong and united NATO, and Western defence spending and capability stronger than ever before this century, it will have been a huge victory for the US democracies the world over.

Forgive the correction, but I think it's more accurate.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

US to send $1.8 billion in aid, Patriot battery, to Ukraine

Officials tell The Associated Press the U.S. will send $1.8 billion in military aid to Ukraine in a massive package that will for the first time include a Patriot missile battery and precision-guided bombs for their fighter jets.

apnews.com

Fornication affirmative!

 

[Admiral Beez]

Fornication affirmative!

Nice. And the JDAMs, "used to modify massive bombs by adding tail fins and precision navigation systems so that they can be released and guided to a target" combined with AGM-88 HARM will make the AFU's MiG-29 and Su-25 far deadlier than their designers at Mikoyan and Sukhoi back in the 1970s may have ever anticipated.

JDAM have a range of 15 miles on a 2000 pound bomb. Mig-29 have an operational range of over 400 miles. HARM's can knock out the S-300/400's. Is this the end of the Kerch bridge?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Nice. And the JDAMs, "used to modify massive bombs by adding tail fins and precision navigation systems so that they can be released and guided to a target" combined with AGM-88 HARM will make the AFU's MiG-29 and Su-25 far deadlier than their designers at Mikoyan and Sukhoi back in the 1970s may have ever anticipated.

JDAM have a range of 15 miles on a 2000 pound bomb. Mig-29 have an operational range of over 400 miles. HARM's can knock out the S-300/400's. Is this the end of the Kerch bridge?

The JDAM kits are built just down the road from me. Another fine Boeing product.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Nice. And the JDAMs, "used to modify massive bombs by adding tail fins and precision navigation systems so that they can be released and guided to a target" combined with AGM-88 HARM will make the AFU's MiG-29 and Su-25 far deadlier than their designers at Mikoyan and Sukhoi back in the 1970s may have ever anticipated.

JDAM have a range of 15 miles on a 2000 pound bomb. Mig-29 have an operational range of over 400 miles. HARM's can knock out the S-300/400's. Is this the end of the Kerch bridge?

JDAMs are great because they are essentially kits that with the right programming will turn any iron bomb into a guided weapon.

 

[Admiral Beez]

I don't see Gepard so I'm not sure if it's current, but still interesting.

 

[MiTasol]

Instead of being in Congress, these two should be pole dancing in a nudie bar.

for deaf people

 

[Greg Boeser]

I don't get why any American would be against US support of Ukraine. The majority reason the US has a postwar military whatsoever is to prepare to smack the Russians and deter the Chinese, along with keeping both Russia and China's 3d world vassals in check. With this in mind, the US gets to accomplish all these goals, gets to near-irrecoverably kneecap the Russian military and for a generation destroy Russia's prestige and influence in the world, all for a fraction of what it would cost the US to do it directly, and with zero American lives risked or lost.

When this is over in 2024, with half a million dead Russians alongside a shattered Russian military and economy, a strong and united NATO, and Western defence spending and capability stronger than ever before this century, it will have been a huge victory for the US.

Actually, there are quite a few Americans, Canadians, Englishmen, and others in Ukraine in a variety of capacities, from tourists to technicians, to soldiers of fortune. I personally know one "tourist" who has made several trips since the outbreak of the "special military operation" who brings in supplies to help a family he has connections with. My sons tell me of former military, who are there either fighting with the International Brigade, or acting as advisers. I don't know if the latter have official sanction to be there, but they are willing to risk their lives to directly support the Ukrainians resist Putin's aggression.

 

[GrauGeist]

Actually, there are quite a few Americans, Canadians, Englishmen, and others in Ukraine in a variety of capacities, from tourists to technicians, to soldiers of fortune. I personally know one "tourist" who has made several trips since the outbreak of the "special military operation" who brings in supplies to help a family he has connections with. My sons tell me of former military, who are there either fighting with the International Brigade, or acting as advisers. I don't know if the latter have official sanction to be there, but they are willing to risk their lives to directly support the Ukrainians resist Putin's aggression.

This last summer, Harrison (a forum member) travelled to Ukraine to help instruct firefighters and EMTs.
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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

How disrespectful…

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Zelensky wows Washington with inspiring address to Congress

“It’s too much for me,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told members of Congress at the beginning of a powerful, often emotional address Wednesday evening in which he cast his nation’s struggle against Russia as an existential, global battle for freedom.

www.yahoo.com