If the proper Western tanks were being delivered from March on, they would've been already racking up the kills by 4 months now.
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Then there's the training factor (crews and mechanics) that would keep them off the battlefield for over half a year, at least.
*if* the Western nations knew that Ukraine would be able to resist the Red Army's initial onslaught.If the proper Western tanks were being delivered from March on, they would've been already racking up the kills by 4 months now.
*if* the Western nations knew that Ukraine would be able to resist the Red Army's initial onslaught.
After Ukraine handed Russia it's ass with their summer offensive, it became clear that providing Ukraine with modern western equipment would have certain survivability.
This is an interesting snippet. Personally I am undecided on the deployment of these vehicles as they will be vulnerable to any AT weapon. In addition they will be quite large targets and difficult to move in mud.
That said I do not claim to know much about this kind of ground combat
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Mr Zelensky has also been calling for more military support from Western countries, and French officials said that French president Emmanuel Macron has told Mr Zelensky that Paris would send light AMX-10 RC armoured combat vehicles to help in the war against Russia.
"This is the first time that Western-made armoured vehicles are being delivered in support of the Ukrainian army," the official told reporters, after a call between Mr Macron and Mr Zelensky. The official did not give any details about the volume or timing of the planned shipments.
The M1 Abrams requires over six months training for the crew. Noy sure about the mechanic training course, but still would require essential manpower removed from the front to attend.
Then there's the issue of parts supply, ammunition supply as well as getting the tanks out of storage, tested, inventoried, transported to a shipping point, shipped, delivered, moved from the port to a depot for prep, transported to Ukraine for handover and from there deployed.
The above isn't going to happen overnight.
The best course of action seems to me, that keeping Ukraine supplied with Soviet era equipment to maintain the momentum while working quietly behind the scenes to provide training on new equipment and when the time is right, unleash the new equipment with well trained crews in an unannounced offensive.
Yes, Tomo, I know the war's length - but at what point did the tide of war shift in Ukraine's favor?
If we look back to WWII, the early days saw the U.S. trying to design a long range bomber option to get at Germany in the event that Britain fell.
Agreed. To that end, I'd expect the West and its preferred arms dealers are scouring Africa and the Middle East for every T-72 they can get, for a quick refurb and deployment to Ukraine.The best course of action seems to me, that keeping Ukraine supplied with Soviet era equipment to maintain the momentum while working quietly behind the scenes to provide training on new equipment and when the time is right,
No I am thinking about the French AMX 10 RC basically a big armoured car. AMX-10 RC - WikipediaAre you referring to the DANA M2 8x8 152mm self-propelled howitzers? Wouldn't your concern of vulnerability to AT weapons be applicable to any of Ukraine's wheeled SPH? Otherwise, what's so unique about the DANA?
If your self propelled artillery is within range of AT weapons aren't you using them wrong?
Agreed. To that end, I'd expect the West and its preferred arms dealers are scouring Africa and the Middle East for every T-72 they can get, for a quick refurb and deployment to Ukraine.