"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)

[Admiral Beez]

Other than Ukraine that will join after the war, Is there anyone left to join NATO?

View: https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1616701439245488128

Not if the obstructionist Turks have anything to say about it.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Not if the obstructionist Turks have anything to say about it.

They can't be fired from NATO, but is there a way we can maneuver them into quitting?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Admiral Beez]

They can't be fired from NATO, but is there a way we can maneuver them into quitting?

Pushing them into the arms of the Russians and militant islamists would do the trick. That's how we fixed Syria.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Pushing them into the arms of the Russians and militant islamists would do the trick. That's how we fixed Syria.

They're obviously not on the same page. Why pretend otherwise?

 

[Admiral Beez]

They're obviously not on the same page. Why pretend otherwise?

True enough, Syria was a bad example and poor choice. But kicking Turkey out of NATO or otherwise forcing their hand on new members (Sweden, Finland, Moldova, etc.) may have unintended consequences.

 

[swampyankee]

True enough, Syria is a bad example. But kicking Turkey out of NATO or otherwise forcing their on new members may have unintended consequences.

I tend to think it would drive Turkey closer to Russia (remember, Russia was long an enemy of the predecessor state to Turkey, the Ottoman Empire) and to extremist elements. There's precedent for unpleasant regimes to remain in NATO: Greece, under the colonels, and Portugal was brought in while it was a military dictatorship. One difference is, of course, that Turkey is being neutral with respect to Russia (and may be clandestinely supportive were Russia to invade Armenia) regarding its invasion of a sovereign country within Europe.

Turkey isn't the only member whose actions are questionable with respect to the invasion of Ukraine. See, for example, Hungary blocking release of €500 million in EU military aid to Ukraine

 

[SaparotRob]

One of the more bizarre excuses for not sending the Abrams to Ukraine was that they need "jet fuel" to run.

This is utter crap. Yes, the AGT-1500 will cheerfully run on jet fuel (Jet-A, Jet-A1, Jet-B, JP-4, JP-5, JP-8, and whatever), but it will also run nicely on road diesel, home heating oil or, for that matter, gasoline. Gas turbine engines are much less fussy about fuel than those engines that rely on pistons banging back and forth. Basically, if a truck diesel or tank diesel can burn it, so can the AGT-1500.

I remember way back when, a camp counselor said of the Chrysler turbine car "you can pee in the tank and it'll go". Could the AGT-1500 could run on ordinary, run of the mill, hardware store type kerosene?

 

[Snowman]

I should immediately to buy such Chrysler!

 

[SaparotRob]

There is only one left in the world (I think). Jay Leno has it. See Jay Leno's Garage on YT.

 

[XBe02Drvr]

I should immediately to buy such Chrysler!

Ou est le pissoir?

 

[GrauGeist]

There is only one left in the world (I think). Jay Leno has it. See Jay Leno's Garage on YT.

Leno is the only private owner - six others are in various museums and Chrysler has two.

 

[SaparotRob]

It's a really cool car.

 

[GrauGeist]

A side bonus is that tail-gaters are dealt a harsh lesson.

 

[GrauGeist]

Could the AGT-1500 could run on ordinary, run of the mill, hardware store type kerosene?

Yes, any grade of Kerosene.

Plus any type of diesel, various grades of jet fuel, gasoline and probably even moonshine...

 

[XBe02Drvr]

Turkey isn't the only member whose actions are questionable with respect to the invasion of Ukraine. See, for example, Hungary blocking release of €500 million in EU military aid to Ukraine

Funny how the obstructionist NATO states about aiding Ukraine seem to be the ones ruled by charter members of the Strongman Club, isn't it? Suppose they're feeling existential angst being surrounded by democracies and secretly sympathize with Uncle Vlad? "And so that government of the sheeple, by the right people, for the Supreme Leader, shall never vanish from this earth."

 

[GTX]

US Abrams Tank ‘Destroyed’ In Ukraine, Unable To Operate In Harsh Winters: Russian Social Media Abuzz With Hilarious Claims

As intense fighting continues to rage in parts of Eastern Ukraine, Russian social media was abuzz with claims of destroying an M1 Abrams Tank

world-defence.com

 

[GrauGeist]

US Abrams Tank ‘Destroyed’ In Ukraine, Unable To Operate In Harsh Winters: Russian Social Media Abuzz With Hilarious Claims

As intense fighting continues to rage in parts of Eastern Ukraine, Russian social media was abuzz with claims of destroying an M1 Abrams Tank

world-defence.com

 

[Glider]

Yes, any grade of Kerosene.

Plus any type of diesel, various grades of jet fuel, gasoline and probably even moonshine...

A totally different engine, but we used to say about the Nimbus on a Wasp helicopter, that if you could pour it, and set fire to it, then the Nimbus would run on it.

 

[GrauGeist]

A totally different engine, but we used to say about the Nimbus on a Wasp helicopter, that if you could pour it, and set fire to it, then the Nimbus would run on it.

Nothing new under the sun, really - the Ford Model T could run on just about anything that was flammable, due to it's engine's low compression ratio!

 

[WARSPITER]

The Great Tank Debate

Providing advanced western main battle tanks to Ukraine

mickryan.substack.com

Excellent article. Well worth a look. Thanks.