Admiral Beez
Major
I have no doubt that within my lifetime we see the beginning of Skynet.
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (7 Viewers)
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RogerdeLluria
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Not sure if this is a good indicator of corrupt kleptocratic mafia state, but any way ...
RogerdeLluria
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Russian advances in Bakhmut since April.
A rough fast napkin calculation estimates that, at this pace, asuming Ukrainians never recover territory back, the Russians will conquer all of Ukraine around the year 2125 (give or take a couple decades)
A rough fast napkin calculation estimates that, at this pace, asuming Ukrainians never recover territory back, the Russians will conquer all of Ukraine around the year 2125 (give or take a couple decades)
RogerdeLluria
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Soaring Death Toll Gives Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics
Moscow is sending poorly trained recruits, including convicts, to the front lines in eastern Ukraine to pave the way for more seasoned fighters, U.S. and allied officials say.
fubar57
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buffnut453
Captain
Leo 1 tanks approved to go to Ukraine. This just in from the BBC:
Manufacturers in Germany have been authorised to send Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine, a government official has just confirmed.
Manufacturers in Germany have been authorised to send Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine, a government official has just confirmed.
Admiral Beez
Major
Leo1 has very little armour and no protection from even the most primitive Russian AT weapons. The reason the Leo2 was introduced was that the Leo1 did not measure up to the T-72, the very tank the Russians are using in Ukraine. I'd rather we send Ukraine the Leo2s they asked for. As I understand it, it's politics, not a lack of availability that is holding up the Leo2s for Ukraine.
If there's any European tank that's not in front line service today to send, it has to be those four hundred Challenger 1 tanks that Jordan is retiring. Let's collect those now, today, clean them up, and send those to Ukraine.... alongside three hundred Leo2s.
British Gulf War tanks may be modernized and sent to Ukraine
Rheinmetall is ready to buy Jordanian Challenger 1 tanks, bring them to Germany, refurbish and repair them, and send them to help Ukrainian ground forces.
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Even Canada, one of the most parsimonious military spenders in NATO scrapped their Leo1s for Leo2s a decade ago. Sending Leo1s to Ukraine when Leo2s are available is just setting up the UAF for failure and sending Ukrainians to unnecessary death.
I wish NATO would decide how they want to help Ukraine. On one hand we send the highest tech kit, such as HIMARs, GMLRS, MANPADS, MANPATS, Patriot SAMs, MQ-9 Reaper drones, and other top drawer systems. Then on the other hand we treat Ukraine like a dump for army surplus junk, like Leo1s and retired Sea Kings first produced in the 1960s.
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buffnut453
Captain
More on the Leo 1s:
As many as 88 of the older Leopard 1s are to be sent, according to a report earlier today by Süddeutsche Zeitung. But, the newspaper writes that these vehicles are in need of repair. The Leopard 1 entered service in the 1960s.
Officials in Berlin have declined to confirm the number due to be sent.
As many as 88 of the older Leopard 1s are to be sent, according to a report earlier today by Süddeutsche Zeitung. But, the newspaper writes that these vehicles are in need of repair. The Leopard 1 entered service in the 1960s.
Officials in Berlin have declined to confirm the number due to be sent.
Admiral Beez
Major
One irony for those history-shy politicians in Berlin, is the Leopard 1 design by Krauss-Maffei Wegmann GmbH (KMW) began only eleven years after KMW produced their last Tiger II tank in 1945. There's no MBT in Europe that's as chronologically close to Germany's eastern front past. And before you reply that there's no relevant connection between the vehicles of WW2 and the postwar era and that my conjecture above is meaningless.... that's my point. Berlin needs to get over the WW2 guilt/shyness and help Ukraine with modern tanks, now.
I wonder if there's a warehouse full of Henschel's Kanonenjagdpanzer, essentially a remake of the Third Reich's Jagdpanzer IV to send.
Of we can forget the rubbish of old, and send the Leo2 tanks Ukraine is asking for.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
KMW didn't manufacture the King Tiger, that was Henschel.
Krupp, on the otherhand, did manufacture tanks (amongst other things) during WWII and they manufactured the postwar Leopards.
Which is fair enough since VW wouldn't have been able to do a very good job of it.
The Leopard 1A5 would still be a handy addition.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
But Porsche did!
True cause they knew how to make stuff longer (beetle length tank?probably not)
buffnut453
Captain
They still do:
Sorry...but there's something fundamentally WRONG about a sports car manufacturer making an SUV. What's next, a soccer-mom van?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The largest vehicle Porche manufactured, would be the VK45.01 and variants.
Not very practical for performance driving or for family outings - unless the family outing involved attacking and destroying things...
Not very practical for performance driving or for family outings - unless the family outing involved attacking and destroying things...
Germany approves Leopard 1 battle tank exports to Ukraine
Package of 29 older tanks could be sent to help fight Russia as soon as refurbishments done, reports say
Germany authorizes sale of Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine | Defense News February 2023 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2023 | Archive News year
Germany wants to release Leopard 1 tanks for Ukraine
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