"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (3 Viewers)
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
It's infuriating that a couple of dozen more Patriot systems and several super-container ship's worth of ammo haven't already been sent. I am not slamming any one nation in particular. ---- -- ------- -------- ---- --- ------- ---- ---- ------ ----- -- -- ---------- --- --------.
Hmm, Israel first needs to be able to hit them. And doing so, it will escalate the situation in the Middle East further, distracting the western countries even more from the Ukraine. I don't think we need another full blown war. The Gaza situation is bad enough as it is.
Alaska is not part of the contiguous US, as it does not border any of the lower 48 states. Even the US military classifies Alaska as OCONUS (Outside Continental United States) and considers it an Overseas Assignment.
Alaska and Hawaii are not part of the contiguous states and are included in the definition of non-foreign OCONUS. NON-FOREIGN OCONUS AREA
Admiral Beez
Captain
Perhaps, but even here in its own thread we're distracted from Ukraine. That's where Israel is dangerous for sucking the US and the West's attention.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
However, I will bet solid money on the fact that Putin has worked a deal with Iran for the distraction and considering Iran's hatred for Israel, they were more than happy to do it.
On this same note, I would also keep an eye on North Korea.
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
That's because it's all interconnected.
The "Axis of Evil" and the "Evil Empire" are cooperating to divide the attention of the West.
Thumpalumpacus
Captain
That said, it is still territory of a NATO member in North America, and therefore still has Art 5 protection.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
But refer back to the Falklands.
The Malvinas are claimed by Argentina, but as a British possession, fall outside of the NATO language of national Proper.
This would be like saying that a Chinese attack on French Polynesia would involve a NATO response.
It won't.
Thumpalumpacus
Captain
Right, no argument here. Just look back at E EwenS 's post #29563 to get my point. A Russian attack on Alaska would most certainly be legitimate cause for invocation of Art 5.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I think that while NATO *might* be considered, Russia attacking Alaska would see the U.S. unleash an instant shitstorm that even Stalin could have never imagined.
NATO wouldn't even have a chance to get their car out of the garage.
NATO wouldn't even have a chance to get their car out of the garage.
Thumpalumpacus
Captain
Yep. You don't want to ride this bear, Vlad.
Admiral Beez
Captain
So, had Argentina's Type 209 submarine ARA San Luis managed to get herself prewar to a position north of the Tropic of Cancer (perhaps via a visit to Cuba, with Argentina being one of the first e-establish diplomatic relations with Cuba in 1973), and torpedoed RN ships north of the Tropic of Cancer as the Task Force was heading southward, does NATO care? As for Hawaii, as part of the USA, I can't believe that NATO would stand by if Russia attacked the place. Surely that's not a viable loophole?
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I believe that there would be a reaponse from the QUAD members if a possession in the Pacific were attacked, not NATO.
The language in NATO points to the member nation's sovereign soil being violated, not territorial possessions.
While Hawaii is a state, it's also a remote possession, like Guam.
The language in NATO points to the member nation's sovereign soil being violated, not territorial possessions.
While Hawaii is a state, it's also a remote possession, like Guam.
In the case of Hawaii NATO could go to article 4.
Under article 5, members are required to assist as they see fit. Whether this is a strongly worded diplomatic response,
economic sanctions, or direct military involvement is up to each member state.
- Under Article 4 of NATO's founding treaty, members can bring any issue of concern, especially related to the security of a member country, to the table for discussion within the North Atlantic Council.
Under article 5, members are required to assist as they see fit. Whether this is a strongly worded diplomatic response,
economic sanctions, or direct military involvement is up to each member state.
Not disagreeing, just pointing out it is not the contiguous USA.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
What if we annexed the Pacific?
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