Allied Silver-Match (Biplanes)

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  1. DAVIDICUS

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    Fiat CR.42 Falco vs. Gloster Gladiator
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    Famous test-pilot Captain Eric M. Brown stated that combat between the Fiat CR.42 Falco and the Gladiator would be a fascinating duel between the two best biplane fighters in the world.

    Head to head, which was the superior dogfighter vis a vis the other?
     
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    I'd take the Gladiator
     
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    Besides being British, why?
     
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    enclosed cockpit, I don't like the feeling of the wind in my air
     
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    Id take the CR.42. Faster, more manoeverable, better looking...
     
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    Gladiators:

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    Falcos:

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    Nope, still prefer the Gladiator
     
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    I feel the Cr.42 was more versatile too. The CR42 was used by Italian, German, Swedish, Hungarian and Belgian airforces, And used by both the Germans and Italians up until 1943 as a day and night fighter, and also a ground attack machine.


     
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    "Arriving at airfields on the Channel coast in October 1940 they proved something of an embarrassment to the Luftwaffe who had resisted the move for some time."

    I could just see the ME-109 pilots flying in formation with CR.42's wearing shirts that had a big arrow saying "I'm with stupid."

    A analogous situation would be German infantry with K98's going into battle side by side with spear chucking Zulus. :lol:
     
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    hang on CC on what are you basing your claim she was more manouverable??
     
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    Acouple of pilots accounts that ive read in which the same pilot has flown both. This was a while back though, ill have to try and hunt it down again.
     
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    yeah i'd like to read that..........
     
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    From: http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco.htm


    The CR.42 Falco (Falcon) was the last of the great biplane fighters entering flight testing in late May 1938. It was a successor of CR.32 that had claimed great success in the Spanish skies during the civil war.
    The CR.42 was manufactured in larger numbers than any other Italian fighter, remaining in production as late as 1943. Extremely light on the controls, universally viewed as a delight to fly, superbly agile and innately robust, the CR.42 synthesised a decade-and-a-half of continuos fighter development; it was a thoroughbred with a distinguished pedigree carrying fighter biplane evolution to its apex.

    The famous test-pilot Captain Eric M. Brown, RN, had an opportunity to fly the captured CR.42 MM5701, which was captured after a forced-landing in the later stages of Battle of Britain. He reported that the aircraft was an aerobatic gem. It was remarkably fast for a biplane with a top speed of 270 mph at 12,400 ft and a marginal stability, the hallmark of a good fighter. The CR.42 was a superb biplane that gave an outstanding performance for its type, but as a fighter it was under-gunned. Though highly manoeuvrable, like all aircraft with a lot of fabric covering it was very vulnerable to enemy fire.
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    Gloster Gladiator

    Technical details
    Type:__________Fighter
    Span:__________9.83 m
    Lenght:________8.36 m
    Engine:________Bristol Mercury VIIIS3 / 840 hsp.
    Max speed:_____410 km/h at 4,400 m
    Max ceiling:___10500 m
    Range:_________715 km
    Armament:______4x8 mm Browning machine guns + bombs


    CR.42 Falco

    Technical details
    Type:__________Fighter and Reconnaissance
    Span:__________9.7 m
    Length:________8.25 m
    Engine:________Fiat A.74 RC 38 / 840 hsp
    Max speed:_____430 km/h
    Max ceiling:___10200 m
    Range:_________775 km
    Armament:______2x12.7 mm machine guns + 200 kg of bombs
     
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    Ive looked for that pilot account but I cant find it. I belive Kiwimac posted it here a while back. Does anyone else have any paticular accounts of pilots who flew both planes?
     
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    :lol:
     
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    I meant hair, surely you've had someone fart in your face before
     
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    No, not that I can remember atleast ! :lol:
     
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    I havent. It goes against the geneva convention :lol:
     
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    CC, you said, "Ive looked for that pilot account but I cant find it. I belive Kiwimac posted it here a while back. Does anyone else have any paticular accounts of pilots who flew both planes?"

    Did you see my last post? Captain Eric Brown flew both and commented on the CR.42. His comments reflect his experience having flown the Gloster Gladiator.
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    More from: http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/gladiator.htm

    The Gloster Gladiator was, as the famous test-pilot Captain Eric M. Brown put it, undoubtedly one of the greatest biplane fighter ever built, but, appearing almost simultaneously with the first of the new breed of heavily armed monoplane fighters and bombers, it was pitched into a combat era where it was outgunned and outperformed, though never outmaneuvered.

    Brown also stated that combat between the Fiat CR.42 Falco and the Gladiator would bee a fascinating duel between the two best biplane fighters in the world. The CR.42 had a slight speed advantage, the Gladiator a slight armament advantage. In the matter of maneuverability the aircraft were about equal, and each was lightweight in construction. A combat between them would be decided on the skills of the opposing pilots. The outcome could go either way.

    From: http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco.htm

    The famous test-pilot Captain Eric M. Brown, RN, had an opportunity to fly the captured CR.42 MM5701, which was captured after a forced-landing in the later stages of Battle of Britain. He reported that the aircraft was an aerobatic gem. It was remarkably fast for a biplane with a top speed of 270 mph at 12,400 ft and a marginal stability, the hallmark of a good fighter. The CR.42 was a superb biplane that gave an outstanding performance for its type, but as a fighter it was under-gunned. Though highly manoeuvrable, like all aircraft with a lot of fabric covering it was very vulnerable to enemy fire.

    Captured CR.42 being flown by RAF
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