An Me-262 In Japan

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Thanks Adler, Marseille was the greatest shooter of them all round for round!

Disassembled 262s did reach Japan via U-boat or I-boat. The huge Japanese cargo subs went to Germany too. Whether the 262 had Jumo engines is unknown. Most certainly the Japanese received the BMW units. Of this I am sure. The Me 163 was cloned as the J8M Shusui from Japanese engineers using its technical manual only.

BTW that plane in the picture is a Me 262B not an A-1 as stated on the other website.
 
Ya know how U-234 was on the way when the war ended? Here's what she had on board. Cargo containers were built to fit in the original mine shafts forward, midships and astern. Four cargo containers were carried topside. 240 tons of cargo were loaded for departure March 25,1945. Cargo included three crated Messershmitt Me-262 jet fighters and an ME-163 rocket-propelled fighter, Henschel HS-293 glider-bomb, extra Junkers jet engines, 10 canisters of uranium oxide, a ton of diplomatic mail, and over 3 tons of technical drawings, plus other technology (torpedo, fuses, armor piercing shells, etc.) Passengers were 9 high technical officers (one general) and civilian scientists. U-859 sunk in 1944 was carrying uranium.

U-129 and U-195 had delivered 12 V-2s and an Me 262 to Japan in 1944.
The U-195, a Type IXD, and the U-219, type VII, delivered their cargo to Jakarta 12/44. The U-219 was turned over to the Imperial Navy to become the I.505. The U-195 became the I.506. There were something like 98 known attempts or successful voyages to Japan so we can only imaging what other goodies were sent. Other U-boats were turned over to the IJN after successful voyages to become I-boats.

See:
Lenton, H.T.
German Submarines Vols. 1 2
Macdonald Co., London, 1965

Green, William
Jet Aircraft of the World
Macdonald, London, 1955

These volumes discuss the acuisition of the 262 by Japan.
 
Twitch said:
BTW that plane in the picture is a Me 262B not an A-1 as stated on the other website.
Yes that has already been stated on pg1 of this thread > 999 - Messerschmitt Me262B-1a/U1 - W.Nr.110306 - coded "Red 6" of IV./JG11
 

In the same u-boat the Germans stored uranium, so that the Japs could make their own atom bomb as the Germans were almost finished. This uranium was captured and then used by the Americans against the Japs.
 
Hard to say definitively if that uranium was used.
Excerpted from a Der Spiegel article.
http://www10.antenna.nl/wise/index.html?http://www10.antenna.nl/wise/447/4440.html
 
d_bader said:
In the same u-boat the Germans stored uranium, so that the Japs could make their own atom bomb as the Germans were almost finished. This uranium was captured and then used by the Americans against the Japs.

Uranium for the US atomic bombs was enriched in the US - from what I understand, it came from Canada.
 

I don't know if it was used in the war but there is/was considerable uranium mined in the southwest to. Utah, Arizona and New Mexico are primary uranium sources if I remember right.

wmaxt
 
Some trivia, Chalk River: AECL traces its heritage to the Second World War when a joint Canadian-British nuclear research laboratory was established in Montreal in 1942, under the National Research Council of Canada to develop a design for a nuclear reactor. [1] In 1944, approval was given by the federal government to begin with construction of the ZEEP (Zero Energy Experimental Pile) reactor at the Chalk River Nuclear Laboratories near Chalk River, Ontario, located on the Ottawa River approximately 190 km northwest of Ottawa(where I live).

On September 5, 1945 the ZEEP reactor first went critical, achieving the first "self-sustained nuclear reaction outside the United States."[2] ZEEP put Canada at the forefront of nuclear research in the world and was the instigator behind eventual development of the CANDU reactors, ZEEP having operated as a research reactor until the early 1970s.

In 1946 the Montreal research laboratory was closed and research was consolidated at Chalk River Laboratories. On July 22, 1947 the NRX (National Research Experimental) reactor, the most powerful reactor in the world at the time, went critical and was "used successfully for producing radioisotopes, undertaking fuels and materials development work for CANDU reactors, and providing neutrons for physics experiments."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Energy_Canada

Had a tour through it when in college - had a wee glow afterwards.
 
Nice read, Krazikanuk.
I have always been interested in the early nuclear projects. I may add that the first self sustained nuclear chain reaction outside the US was in october 1944 in Gottow/Germany. K. Diebner established a short living atomic pile (test G IV). Evidence for this prior unknown test are found in several archives (including Moscow). According to the informations from a short handwriting of K.H. Höcker, this atomic pile melted down after a series of measurements have been recorded (there was an previously unknown effect of temporary delay in cooling down, so when they took the shut down reactor out of the water it melted down hours later) Recent analysis from officials confirmed the reactor accident (we know it happened after the measurement series because of a writing from Diebner to Heisenberg) at Gottow.
 
delcyros- you are right about that story. The Germans didn't realize what they had!

As for uranium oxide being used from the U-234, why not? Refining to that stage was expensive and time consuming and there is no reason why the US wouldn't have added it to their mix. The U-234 amount was about 1/3- 1/5 the amount needed for an A bomb so it was just a partial anyhow.

 
The Japanese had HUGE transport subs larger than anything in Germany or the US. They supplied island garrisons with them too. The U-boats that sailed to the Orient were all comverted or built as cargo subs.

Kriegesmarine sailing records I have show 98 cruises begun with Oriental destinations. Along with the I-boats going the other way there was lots of lattitude for "goodies" to be tranferred.
 

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