AL Schlageter
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- Oct 9, 2007
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Glider, do these 44 incidents mean bombs dropped from 44 bombers out of the total of 447 bombers taking part or just the 220 taking part in the second raid for it does say London had been the target of both raids?The first air raid occurred on the night of 21 st January 1944 when 227 bombers were involved. They used "Dueppel", which was the German equivalent of our "Window". These were strips of metal foil designed to confuse radar defences. Then a repeat raid was made during the latter part of the same night. Some of the returning Luftwaffe bombers had been refuelled and these were joined by other bombers. In this second raid a total of 220 bombers took part. London had been the target of both raids but only 44 incidents in the London area were logged. The bombs fell mostly in Sussex, Kent and Essex.
More raids occurred in February and caused little damage, apart from a raid on 18/19 th of that month. About 200 German bombers dropped 140 tons of bombs in the London area on that night.
The Germans had assembled a total of 524 bombers
That is some attrition rate, 63% of the force the LW started with.During that five month period the Luftwaffe lost 330 bombers.
However the German forces (all of them incl Bomb carrying 190's) had heavy losses.
I also found this
I was intrigued by Alan Smith's reference to "The Steinbock Operation", in his
"Museum Jottings"
Most people think of the "Blitz" as that period from September 1940 to May
1941. However during 1943 deciphered Enigma messages alerted the British
authorities that the Luftwaffe was planning a major new bombing offensive.
This was to become known as the "Mini Blitz".
The Germans had assembled a total of 524 bombers, including 46 of the new
HE 177 Greif four engined heavy bomber that were to attack Britain for the
first time.
The first air raid occurred on the night of 21 st January 1944 when 227 bombers
were involved. They used "Dueppel", which was the German equivalent of our
"Window". These were strips of metal foil designed to confuse radar defences.
Then a repeat raid was made during the latter part of the same night. Some of the returning Luftwaffe bombers had been refuelled and these were joined by other bombers. In this second raid a total of 220 bombers took part.
London had been the target of both raids but only 44 incidents in the London
area were logged. The bombs fell mostly in Sussex, Kent and Essex. The
Luftwaffe admitted losing 25 aircraft on the two raids. British sources claimed
18 fell victim to the lethal De Havilland Mosquito night fighters. Most or all of
the remaining 9 bombers were downed by antiaircraft flak. A further 18
bombers were destroyed in noncombat accidents, including mishandling,
navigation errors or crashes at dimly lit bases.
More raids occurred in February and caused little damage, apart from a raid on
18/19 th of that month. About 200 German bombers dropped 140 tons of bombs in the London area on that night.
Further attacks continued in March and Hull and Bristol were also targeted. In
May Weymouth, Torquay and Falmouth received attention from Operation
Steinbock before the offensive was abandoned.
Air raid casualties in Britain totalled 1556 killed and 2916 seriously injured. During that five month period the Luftwaffe lost 330 bombers. For every 5 citizens killed, the Germans lost 1 bomber and four trained aircrew either killed or captured. It had been a costly failure.
The point was that the He177 only had to go to London, around 20 miles behind the Allied Lines with no navigational problems, but the Allies went hundreds of miles behind the German lines with loads of of navigational problems. ...
Notice the 220 bombers trying to bomb London 20 miles behind the coast and only 44 seem to have got through, not good.
U are going to have to back that up Kurfurst... I IP searched him, and the 4 IP addys that come up for him are for him and only him... Making accusations like that will get ur ass banned from here....Kurfurst said:Keep trying. You`ll only get yourself banned, like your previous logins on this board.
I took it to be 44 for the night i.e. 10% of the bomber forceGlider, do these 44 incidents mean bombs dropped from 44 bombers out of the total of 447 bombers taking part or just the 220 taking part in the second raid for it does say London had been the target of both raids?
Not that it makes much difference, it is still bad. Do you know what caused the breakdown in the much heralded superior German system we hear about of placing bombers over the target?
The He177 was able to carry close to is maximum load for these raids but the other aircraft didn't. Its worth remembering that FW190's carring bombs were used in the attack so this alone would have reduced the average load by a fair margin.That averages ~2800lb per bomber. We see claims the He177 could carry ~11,000lb of bombs and the Ju88 and He 111 could carry ~5500lb of bombs.
B-17s and B-24s averaged around 5000lb and the Halifax and Lancaster averaged around 10,000lb, yet were capable of carrying heavier loads.
Definately a huge loss considering that the actual number of raids doesn't seem to have been that many.That is some attrition rate, 63% of the force the LW started with.
B-17s and B-24s averaged around 5000lb and the Halifax and Lancaster averaged around 10,000lb, yet were capable of carrying heavier loads.
Range with standard fuel load and 10,000lb of bombs was 1040miles.If I recall correctly the average bomb load for a Lancaster was 8,000lb. At 10,000 lb and above its range was restricted quite a bit.
Range with standard fuel load and 10,000lb of bombs was 1040miles.
Right on!Adler already PMd me, and I responded. Well that kinda sorts out the mystery isn`t it...?
Let`s forget about this troll, and let`s get back to the subject, shall we?