Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles Part II

DBII · Oct 31, 2007

Since the thread is so long, I did not read everything. My only question is has anyone brought up the B-25?

DBII

pbfoot · Oct 31, 2007

DBII said:
Since the thread is so long, I did not read everything. My only question is has anyone not brought up the B-25?

DBII

yep

Neto · Oct 31, 2007

DBII said:
Since the thread is so long, I did not read everything. My only question is has anyone not brought up the B-25?

DBII

it is a nice airplane with a very hard fuselage but the junkers focus principally his amaising speed and fantastic versatiblility alied to his low production price and very good dive bombing made it a destructible wepon

magnocain · Oct 31, 2007

The Royal Navy had the Sea Mosquito.

Mk. 33 equiped with power-folding wings, oleo main gearm four-blade propellers, arrester hook, four 20mm cannon, torpedo (or various bomb/rocket loads), American ASH radar and rocket JATO boost.

Ok, ya i found that the 'mossie' did go on carriers (5 minuets after i posted it), and as best as i can tell it very late war or post war. Didn't the Ju88 carry the largest load (the most bombs)?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Nov 1, 2007

magnocain said:
Didn't the Ju88 carry the largest load (the most bombs)?

No the Ju 88 was a medium bomber. It was a medium bomber and could carry 5500 lb of bombs.

AL Schlageter · Nov 1, 2007

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
No the Ju 88 was a medium bomber. It was a medium bomber and could carry 5500 lb of bombs.

The typical load for the B-17 and B-24 heavy bombers.

Any know what the range of the Ju88 was with 5500 lb of bomb?

magnocain · Nov 1, 2007

No the Ju 88 was a medium bomber. It was a medium bomber and could carry 5500 lb of bombs.

I meant the largest bomb load out of the p38, ju88, and Mosquito. I believe that the ju88 could go (about) 1,200 miles, however i dont know if that range was with the full bombload, or any bombs at all.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Nov 2, 2007

Compared to a P-38 obviously the Ju 88 has a higher bomb load. The Mossie could carry up to 6000lb of bombs but that was over a very short range.

I do not know the range of the Ju 88 with max bomb load.

magnocain · Nov 9, 2007

which one was the cheapest, easiest to maintain, quickest to scramble, fastest dive rate,fastest climb, ect...? i know in some situations i would want a ju88, in some a p38, in some a mosiquito. what did their crews have to say?

Sgt. Pappy · Nov 12, 2007

The Ju 88 made a better long-range bomber, but the Mosquito had unmatched maneuverability among the bombers, while being a good bit faster than the Ju88.

Add the Mossie's ability to carry a heavy battery of guns and you have a fighter-bomber/attack aircraft/anti-sub fighter/high speed transport/'energy' fighter. Not the best at fighting, but it will outfight a Ju88.

Civettone · Nov 14, 2007

I don't see how the Ju 88 would make the better long-range bomber. First of all, it wasn't a long-range bomber. It had medium range. Second, the Mosquito had a similar range. Even later versions could fly 2,400 km with a full bomb load. And the Ju 88 could carry 1,000 lbs internally while the Mosquito could carry a cookie of 4,000 lbs in its belly!

I still stick to my original point. The Ju 88 could do lots of things and excelled at some of them. The Mosquito could do lots of things and excelled at most of them. In fact, the only place where it failed was as a day fighter.
Kris

magnocain · Nov 14, 2007

Um... Ya actually i agree with that.
But i still like the ju88 better. So mabey...
1. mosquito
2. ju88
3. p38?
4. ?

The Jug Rules! · Dec 13, 2007

im not so sure about this, but is this limited to ww2?

If not ill say the Ad skyraider. That Plane did just about everything you could name.

Pflueger · Dec 13, 2007

I believe they are focusing on WW2, but agree that the skyraider was the most versatile AC of all time. I read an account (I believe on this forum) written by skyraider pilot who was assigned to carry a nuke into USSR in the event of WW3 (in the mid-1950's I think). He gave simulated account of what the "final" mission would have been like - it was a cool read.

I know, I know: I am sure that the Mossie could have been modified to carry a nuke

Seawitch · Jan 7, 2008

I just love the Douglas Skyraider, I've been reading a lot about them recently.
Drawn up in ww2 but never used in it, it came in 28 different variants from fighter/bomber to carrying passengers.
I think thats a record?
Specialisation was the reason it continued to exist, last seen operating in Chad in 1979.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Jan 8, 2008

This thread is about WW2 however...

Vincenzo · Feb 2, 2008

max internal bomb load of ju 88 is 1400 kg, is 500 kg only with a tank fuel in forward bay.

Old Wizard · Apr 2, 2008

For added versatility both the B-25 and the Mosquito had a field artillery piece mounted in the nose. A 75mm for the B-25 and a 6 pounder for the Mosquito. I wonder what the opposition thought when one of these came at them?

kool kitty89 · Apr 8, 2008

Couldn't the Ju 88 carry even larger external loads like 2x SC 2000. (the largest I believe to be fitted)

If you look at the Ju 88's original prformance (with very few or no guns and w/out the dive bomber mods) it really could have been comparable to the Mossie as a fast bomber. (particularly by '39-'40 standards)

The aircraft's first flight was made by the prototype Ju 88 V1, which bore the civil registration D-AQEN, on 21 December 1936. When it first flew, it managed about 580 km/h (360 mph) and Hermann Göring, head of the Luftwaffe was ecstatic. It was an aircraft that could finally fulfill the promise of the Schnellbomber, a high-speed bomber. The streamlined fuselage was modeled after its contemporary, the Dornier Do 17, but with fewer defensive guns because the belief still held that it could outrun late 1930s-era fighters. The fifth prototype set a 1,000 km (620 mile) closed-circuit record in March 1939, carrying a 2,000 kg (4,100 lb) payload at a speed of 517 km/h (320 mph).[3] However, by the time Luftwaffe planners had had their own "pet" features added (including dive-bombing), the Ju 88's top speed had dropped to around 450 km/h (280 mph).

IMO they should have kept a dedicated, stripped down, fast bomber variant with out guns/gunners. With crew down to 2, like in the Mossie.

kool kitty89 · Apr 8, 2008

As to an earlier question, I do believe the Mossie (late models) used counter rotating props. (as did the Hornet) Easily supported by the fact that such modles used 2 different engine models. (one 'left handed' and one 'right handed') I'm not sure if the rotated outward (as seen from the top of the prop discs) as in production P-38's or inward. (like the original XP-38 prototype)

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