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Best/Favourate Tank in the west
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Its not a Sherman, its a M-36 - if you haven't noticed it yet its actually got a different turret
Yep, I mean how stupid can you get... Everything he says proves everything to the contrary of what he is trying to say. I will also repeat what Soren has said there were no 90mm armed Sherman Jumbo's all had the 76mm gun. The M36 and the M26 Pershing had the 90mm not the Sherman (although it was fitted after the war to some - the Israeli's fitted a 105mm to it in the M51 Super Sherman.)
I must though it is funny trying to watch him prove that a tank with "M36B1" on the side of the turret is a Sherman Jumbo with a 90mm
""The M36B1 was constructed by mating the 90mm M36 gun turret with the hull of the late-production M4A3 Sherman. Internal stowage was rearranged to accommodate the larger 90mm rounds.""
see link for definition of an M36B1 (90mm M4)
90mm GMC M36
see link for definition of an M36B1 (90mm M4)
90mm GMC M36
This is obviously dis-proven..
http://www.tankdestroyersociety.com/images/M10_04.jpg
YES, there was an M4A3 with a 90MM
The M36B1 painted on the side of this vehicle says it all, as the M36B1 was a 90 mm Sherman essentially.
To wit M36B1= Sherman M4 mated to a 90mm gun
""The M36B1 was constructed by mating the 90mm M36 gun turret with the hull of the late-production M4A3 Sherman. Internal stowage was rearranged to accommodate the larger 90mm rounds.""
see link for definition of an M36B1
90mm GMC M36
As far as proving that that tank shown in the "Official WWII Tank Destroyers Society" 'vehicles' web page is a Jumbo. I absolutely made no representation of that. It is, however. the M4 based M36B1, a 90 mm Sherman, by definition.
At this point, I was only proving this quote is wrong..
wrong
(obviously wrong)
Anyone can see that is NOT a Jumbo, But it is an M4 based M36 tank destroyer- an M36B1, specifically..
How absolutely stupid can YOU get?
You both must go to the same eye doctor either that or you are purposely misrepresenting my comments in an obtuse manner.
dis-proven at this point:
Do you guys even know what an M36B1 is?
90mm GMC M36
The M36B1 is an M4 with a 90 mm= (that is the definitinion of an M36B1)
//?
Simple question, what is an M36B1, then, if not a 90mm M4?
So that is why you keep saying arrogant and ignorant huh? What is your real agenda? Oh and by the way dont play those games with me. I am an American...
...I suggest your learn who is in this forum before you play games.
That is near Camp Speicher. I crewed Helicopters out of there for 14 months. I think maybe you are talking about the camp outside of Behji near Tikrit. Saw many of those in the bone yard near Tikrit. I have posted pictures of the boneyard here in another thread.
I also I would like to hear some factual information about how many 90mm equiped Shermans were in service on the West Front from you.
Jackson you have not earned the right to insult anyone in this forum with your 35 posts. You want to prove your point (which you are doing very lousy at by the way) that is fine but you will do it withouth insulting any member of this forum or call any member of this forum stupid or insult them as you have in several of your threads.
I am giving you your first warning now. I will only give only one. You got that!
I am giving you your first warning now. I will only give only one. You got that!
Originally posted by Soren
definition of a M36B1:
The M36B1 was constructed by mating the 90mm M36 gun turret with the hull of the late-production M4A3 Sherman. Internal stowage was rearranged to accommodate the larger 90mm rounds
I have only posted on 4 threads..
This one- insults received/ returned
P80 (none)
25 K for a Me262 ride (none)
FW190 retrieved from sea bottom (none)
It is my understanding that approximately 343 (M36 90mm) conversion kits were shipped to the ETO, most were put on the M10 chassis. They are identified by the lack of a muzzle brake.
Some were put on the M4 (Sherman chassis), no particular number is offered by me, I would guess 10-25 percent of the 343 kits. 40-80..
This is a field modification, I doubt the records are available.
Much like Patton up armoring many of his tanks, as a field modification, to the "Jumbo" standard. This was done after he forbid the use of sand bags and lumber products as additional protection. I also doubt much is available as to specific numbers. Many EZ8's were generally up armoured.
However, I have read (and related) the story of a "Jumbo" based M36B1 having surprised Tigers.
I am not sure may factory M36B1's were shipped before the end of the war.. I speculate all in the ETO were field modifications, I have never seen a photo of an ETO M36B1 with the muzzle brake.
I stand by this.
And yes, as a youngster my I lived in Iran with my USAF fighter pilot father, who was an F-4 IP , so I have seen the Iranian M36's first hand also.
So...
and post count...If that is your standard..No comment, do as you please.
I notice M Kenny and a few others including Christian Ankerstjerne do not post here anymore either.
definition of a M36B1:
The M36B1 was constructed by mating the 90mm M36 gun turret with the hull of the late-production M4A3 Sherman. Internal stowage was rearranged to accommodate the larger 90mm rounds
I have only posted on 4 threads..
This one- insults received/ returned
P80 (none)
25 K for a Me262 ride (none)
FW190 retrieved from sea bottom (none)
It is my understanding that approximately 343 (M36 90mm) conversion kits were shipped to the ETO, most were put on the M10 chassis. They are identified by the lack of a muzzle brake.
Some were put on the M4 (Sherman chassis), no particular number is offered by me, I would guess 10-25 percent of the 343 kits. 40-80..
This is a field modification, I doubt the records are available.
Much like Patton up armoring many of his tanks, as a field modification, to the "Jumbo" standard. This was done after he forbid the use of sand bags and lumber products as additional protection. I also doubt much is available as to specific numbers. Many EZ8's were generally up armoured.
However, I have read (and related) the story of a "Jumbo" based M36B1 having surprised Tigers.
I am not sure may factory M36B1's were shipped before the end of the war.. I speculate all in the ETO were field modifications, I have never seen a photo of an ETO M36B1 with the muzzle brake.
I stand by this.
And yes, as a youngster my I lived in Iran with my USAF fighter pilot father, who was an F-4 IP , so I have seen the Iranian M36's first hand also.
So...
and post count...If that is your standard..No comment, do as you please.
I notice M Kenny and a few others including Christian Ankerstjerne do not post here anymore either.
You started it you get it in return. You decided to continue with it, I gave you a warning. You dont like it, tough! I have given plenty of warning to these very same members you are instulting so dont start up with anything else about giving and taking.
They for the most part decided it was better to teach and learn in a respectful manner. If you wish to be respectful you will be fine here.
Jackson said:
No I was making a point that you dont come into a forum and throw your weight around like that. You can learn and teach with others in a respectful manner. I am sure you parents tought you respect and manners. For instance you dont throw the words around arrogant and ignorant when you dont know the person. Especially when you are assuming things that you really dont know.
Jackson said:
And no one told them to leave. They could not handle the fact that some people disagreed with them and they decided to not use respect and manners. No one told them to leave. They can stay here if they wish to be respectful.
This goes for anyone and everyone, not just you, so dont play the "Oh poor me, stop picking on me" as so many others before have.
please delete my account..
and you are more than welcome to delete all my posts..
thank you for your immediate attention
> have given plenty of warning to these very same members
Funny- I can believe that, somehow
M Kenny, he is really quite decent, and knowledgeable..
and you are more than welcome to delete all my posts..
thank you for your immediate attention
> have given plenty of warning to these very same members
Funny- I can believe that, somehow
M Kenny, he is really quite decent, and knowledgeable..
Whatever do as you please. I am not going to beg you to stay, there are plenty of people that wish to learn and teach there knowledge and debate in respectful ways. You can do so if you wish too, up to you. You can decide whether you want to be the weakest link or not...
You don't know jaques merde
originally posted by Soren:
You are out of your league, burn your books, take up whittling or basket weaving..
Besides it is a M3 gun, doofus
M1A1
Towed anti-aircraft gun. Production began in 1940. Featured the M8A1 spring rammer. Rate of fire 20 rounds per minute.
M3
An anti-tank version of the gun. It was used to equip the 90mm Gun Motor Carriage M36 and Heavy Tank M26 Pershing. It is also known as 90 mm L/50.
originally posted by Soren:
You are out of your league, burn your books, take up whittling or basket weaving..
Besides it is a M3 gun, doofus
M1A1
Towed anti-aircraft gun. Production began in 1940. Featured the M8A1 spring rammer. Rate of fire 20 rounds per minute.
M3
An anti-tank version of the gun. It was used to equip the 90mm Gun Motor Carriage M36 and Heavy Tank M26 Pershing. It is also known as 90 mm L/50.
I think you are the one that is out of your league. You are proving that with your post. And do me a favor please learn how to use a forum because you deleted posts are annoying.
Besides this is just getting stupid anyhow. You keep repeating the same stuff over and over that just proves you wrong.
Besides this is just getting stupid anyhow. You keep repeating the same stuff over and over that just proves you wrong.
Neither of which where an M4 Sherman or a Sherman Jumbo. The M36 may of been built on a Sherman chassis but that doesn't make it a Sherman it is a totally different tank.
Agreed.
My bad, I can't find the delete button..
Yeah, I am wrong, an over night field modification, retro fitting a new turret on an existing M4 body and chassis is a totally 'different " tank..
I will bet they might have even, spent half the night to grind out all the parts serial numbers and then repainted the whole thing top to bottom just so nobody knew its prior designation. So it was "totally differnt" they probably secretly changed the names of the crews overnight too, just to keep things straight.
OK, what ever...I am wrong..
You people with a 'superior knowledge' of all this could at least get the gun model and type correct. I mean you are telling Jackson about the "Jackson".
And my old 5.0 Mustang, I have bolted on a bunch of Saleen parts, I better buy some 'Saleen' name plates for it, becuse I changed the intake manifild and ported it, beefed up the suspension and otherwise 'bullet proofed' it.
I will be contacting the Department of Motor Vehicles here becuase I better change the registration certificate and title- right.
Yeah, I will just drop it.. You are obviously all experts on the M36B1. I picked my nick (Jackson) here by mistake, it should have been "M4A3/90 mm M3/ L50".
I gotta go for a ride out to "Bullrun", silly me, I call it Manassas.. (that is an a "Stonewall joke")
Yeah, I am wrong, an over night field modification, retro fitting a new turret on an existing M4 body and chassis is a totally 'different " tank..
I will bet they might have even, spent half the night to grind out all the parts serial numbers and then repainted the whole thing top to bottom just so nobody knew its prior designation. So it was "totally differnt" they probably secretly changed the names of the crews overnight too, just to keep things straight.
OK, what ever...I am wrong..
You people with a 'superior knowledge' of all this could at least get the gun model and type correct. I mean you are telling Jackson about the "Jackson".
And my old 5.0 Mustang, I have bolted on a bunch of Saleen parts, I better buy some 'Saleen' name plates for it, becuse I changed the intake manifild and ported it, beefed up the suspension and otherwise 'bullet proofed' it.
I will be contacting the Department of Motor Vehicles here becuase I better change the registration certificate and title- right.
Yeah, I will just drop it..
You are obviously all experts on the M36B1. I picked my nick (Jackson) here by mistake, it should have been "M4A3/90 mm M3/ L50".I gotta go for a ride out to "Bullrun", silly me, I call it Manassas.. (that is an a "Stonewall joke")
Now are you just being silly. I enjoyed reading that because it made me laugh real hard. You dont have many friends in real life do you?
Why dont you just calm down and debate like an adult rather than a child.
Why dont you just calm down and debate like an adult rather than a child.
Yeah, nobody likes a funny "auditor" lol..
Everyone around the world hates people 'with a sense of humor' 8) I can't get laid either.
My wife only married me because I can cook and my partners here at the firm would dump rat poison in my coffee except that I am the only one that really understands our tax software.
I don't know how I ever make any 'rain'.. I think it is only because my client base is mostly alcoholics. BTW, they are mostly ex military, defense contractors.. We all hang out at the Crystal City restaurant, in Pentagon City dreaming of hooking up with an 'adult entertainer" on crack.
CRYSTAL CITY RESTAURANT: About Us
You have much to look foward to after retirement.
LOL
regards,
Stonewall
PS I am gonna link this thread to a couple of 'Sherman' experts I know.
Y'all can teach them a thing or two..heh
Everyone around the world hates people 'with a sense of humor' 8) I can't get laid either.
My wife only married me because I can cook and my partners here at the firm would dump rat poison in my coffee except that I am the only one that really understands our tax software.
I don't know how I ever make any 'rain'.. I think it is only because my client base is mostly alcoholics. BTW, they are mostly ex military, defense contractors.. We all hang out at the Crystal City restaurant, in Pentagon City dreaming of hooking up with an 'adult entertainer" on crack.
CRYSTAL CITY RESTAURANT: About Us
You have much to look foward to after retirement.
LOL
regards,
Stonewall
PS I am gonna link this thread to a couple of 'Sherman' experts I know.
Y'all can teach them a thing or two..heh