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Why do you choose the CH-47? We have them here at the airfield, and we like to call them Shithooks.
That`s a term of endearment for us hookers
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Why do you choose the CH-47? We have them here at the airfield, and we like to call them Shithooks.
That`s a term of endearment for us hookers![]()
Voted for the Mi-8; it may be the only chopper for the armed force if needed.
Yes a UH-1, a hell of a lot more dependable than either one....
Sure
It is a cargo 'copter, then ground attack (with up to 6 ATGMs), ESM/ECM machine...For the more complete list of variants:
Mil Mi-8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
From the option pool, AH-64, AH-1 and OH-53 can't haul the cargo, so those aren't the choice for the best in my eyes.
Further, Stallion and Chinook don't make any good gunships, so those are no choices.
Lynx, Hind and Huey are decent ships, yet Mi-8 surpasses them in cargo carrying ability.
Finally, that leaves is with UH-60L and Mi-8 as far as options from this poll go. I've picked Hip because of greater cargo cabin and rear doors (ramp in latest version). My guess is that price is also lower.
You make a good argument for the Mi-8, I will still take the UH-60 over the Mi-8 any day. Here is why:
1. UH-60 is more survivable.
Please explain why.
2. UH-60 might have a smaller cabin, but due to its more powerful engines can still carry more cargo (in weight).
Mi-8: 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) max. on internal and external loads.
UH-60: 1,200 kg (2,646 lb) internally or 4,082 kg (9,000 lb) externally.
Latest versions of Mi-8 can carry 4500kg, so Hip wins by a narrow margin.
3. UH-60 can carry a larger weapons platform, including 16 Hellfire missiles and 2 Mini Guns.
Mi-8 carries ATGMs, 12,7mm, unguided rockets. So at least they're even.
4. Mi-8 is underpowered.
Maybe, but not something acute.
5. UH-60 will outperform a Mi-8 any day.
Agree.
Of course in the end it does not matter. The two aircraft perform completely different roles.
I'd say that basic role for both of them is to haul the cargo; too bad Cougar is not included in the poll.
Both true, but both have had issues with rotor hub and rotor blade life. Additionally, they could be electrical nightmares. I've been around a Gazelle and worked on A Stars - good birds but they ain't a Huey....or the Gazelle and the Puma. I've seen the Puma at several Paris airshows and I was very impressed with it, damn fast too! Both the Gazelle and the Puma have had long service.
tomo pauk said:Please explain why.
tomo pauk said:Latest versions of Mi-8 can carry 4500kg, so Hip wins by a narrow margin.
tomo pauk said:Mi-8 carries ATGMs, 12,7mm, unguided rockets. So at least they're even.
UH-60 can be equipped with:
M60D Machine Guns
M240H Machine Guns
M134 Mini Guns
GAU-19 .50 Gatling Guns
M139 Volcano Mine System
M230 30mm Chain Gun
AGM-114 Hellfire Guided Missiles
Hydra 70 2.75in (70mm) Rockets
tomo pauk said:I'd say that basic role for both of them is to haul the cargo; too bad Cougar is not included in the poll.
UH-60 is more of a Utility helicopter than a cargo helicopter. The Mi-8 leans more toward a cargo helicopter in my opinion, hence its design with the rear ramp and so forth.
...or the Gazelle and the Puma. I've seen the Puma at several Paris airshows and I was very impressed with it, damn fast too! Both the Gazelle and the Puma have had long service.
The Gazelle is a great little helicopter, but due to its small design it is limited in what it can do. Fun helicopter to fly around in though.
I do however disagree with you on the Puma. I got a chance to work with some French Puma's in Kosovo and I was not impressed with them. They were not a bad aircraft but nothing special.
Now if you mentioned the Super Puma, I will agree with you. The Super Puma is a great aircraft. It will outperform most of what is out there at the moment in its class. We actually raced a Swiss Army Super Puma one time, and we only barely beat her. I am convinced to this day that the pilot of the Super Puma let us beat them (and the fact that the person in the tower that day was a friend of ours who gave us clearance to land first...).
I voted for the UH-1 only because it initiated a whole new method of warfare.
I don't know much about helicopters exept that they fly using mirrors and smoke.![]()
Further, Stallion and Chinook don't make any good gunships, so those are no choices.