- Jul 28, 2003
Funny you should say that. The G.59 was an updated G.55 with a Merlin and a bubble canopy.
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Somebody might indeed get a good laugh at me declaring one of the series 5 as the best, I simply don't feel qualified in that respect, they seem all to be pretty good and without very much difference in performance. Or rather, I think I've seen every one of them as the best performer as the numbers are all over the place according to source.And if we leave that out? Would make the thread more fun If you want, you can factor in ease/cheapness of production in comparison, though if you don't want, be my guest.
Another point for wikipedia, they at usually try to give citations, often to individual statements, too.Wikipedia is a double edge sword. What I like to do is see the references given for a given paragraph or statement, usually shown at the bottom of the page. With that you can verify the source of the information. When I don't see a reference, that's when I become suspicious.
You are on the internet. Qualifications are even more optional than respect.I simply don't feel qualified in that respect
Those are fine-looking birds, if you ask me. Much better than their prior attempts, anyway.Funny you should say that. The G.59 was an updated G.55 with a Merlin and a bubble canopy.
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I haven't read about it in a long time, but as I recall, the Luftwaffe was very serious about building the G.56 and had the G.55 evaluated for improved manufacturing times and their evaluation stated they could considerably reduce the time to build the wing.The Germans preferred the Fiat because the Macchi and the Reggiane were just too time-consuming to build economically. Practically, if they HAD to pick one, they'd choose the one that was easiest to manufacture since that was a top priority for them all during the war.
Don't get me wrong, they may STILL have chosen the G.55 if they were not looking at man-hours to build it, but I'm pretty sure the man-hours total was the real reason no Italian fighter was selected for German production since they was all much more time-consuming than a Bf 109.
Notice G.591-b 2 seater.Funny you should say that. The G.59 was an updated G.55 with a Merlin and a bubble canopy.
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I agree. The Caproni-Vizzola F.5 got one. Presumably there was a lack of capacity to produce the bubble glass.They're 2 aircraft just crying out for a bubble type canopy.
There are several G.55 and MC.205 in museums all across the world but sadly no complete Re.2005 is left.
Macchi MC.205s were also kept in service till the mid '50s.
Nuuumannn,There's only one surviving G.55 in the world, it's at the Italian air force museum at Lago di Bracchiano. This one.
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It's made of bits of different aircraft. There are only three MC.205s left, all of which are in Italy and all of which are based on MC.202 airframes incorporating '205 bits. This is the one at the Bracchiano museum.
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The Fuerza Area Argentina received 10 overhauled and 35 new G.55 airframes, which remained in service until the mid 1950s, when the lot was sadly scrapped. Egypt received 39 G.55s and were delivered in 1948-1949, and Syria received 13, 12 single-seaters and one two-seater, all delivered in 1949. Despite the conflict in the region against the burgeoning state of Israel, it's not believed any of the G.55s were involved in combat, although they type was employed in border patrols in both countries' air forces. Strangely, one G.55 went to the UK and was evaluated, being inexplicably scrapped at Tangmere sometime in the 1950s.
Regarding production by the Germans, in April and May 1943 there were discussions between Fiat and the Germans, which resulted in an order for 500 examples, but the realisation that the G.55 required a higher number of man-hours to build compared to existing German types negated this, as well as the fall of Italy to the Allies. Although based on the G.55, the G.56 was an entirely new airframe and wasn't a converted example.
On the Italian production front, if the Germans didn't order fighters due to man hour requirements, what did they "order" in their place?
I've been to Rome twice, and now I find out there is an AVIATION museum there!
Good to know! I understand why the Germans didn't order it, but what I don't understand was what was made in it's place (what did the workers make instead of fighters)?I've read that the G.55 took too many manhours to build compared to existing aircraft, the Fw 190 and Bf 109, this means a delay in fighter production and introduction into service, of course, which was not what the Germans really needed in 1943/44 by the time this gets into production and service owing to the war not really going their way. I guess the logic was that its performance was good but not sufficiently greater than existing Luftwaffe fighters, which, by early to mid 1944 begins to include the Me 262 and Me 163. I don't know if that was a consideration behind the Germans' logic for refusing to build the thing, but it kinda makes sense.
Well, I guess you're gonna have to go back again! The museum isn't in Rome, it's an hour by train north on the shore of the lake. If you wanna go, catch the train to Bracchiano and get a taxi from there to the museum. Conventional logic says to get off the train at Vigna di Valle, but don't do this. Go straight to Bracchiano, the number of trains from Rome is more frequent and there are always taxis outside the train station at Bracchiano, which is a lovely place at any rate.
but what I don't understand was what was made in it's place (what did the workers make instead of fighters)?