Saberstrike
Airman
- 35
- Mar 12, 2007
The Vought F4U Corsair. It downed Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15s, and it was one of the most feared-by-Axis aircraft in WW II, alng with the P-38 Lightning...
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Man I'll tell ya, I feel that way all the time.... I've met Joe Foss twice and now after all these years, those conversations are all but forgotten....
The Vought F4U Corsair. It downed Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15s, and it was one of the most feared-by-Axis aircraft in WW II, alng with the P-38 Lightning...
USN Panthers met MiG's on 6 different days in the Korean war, and their opponents were the Soviet AF in every case. The Panthers downed 5 (confirmed in Soviet accounts) and lost none. Marine Panthers met MiG's 5 times, Soviet in 3, Chinese in one, not sure about the other. They lost one Panther (to the Soviets) without scoring. The November 18 1952 case you refer to was different from the US side in that the USN *knew* the opponents had to be Soviet since they'd taken off from inside the USSR so it was considered senstive. From the Soviet side that particular unit was not at the time officially committed to Korea (later on it did a tour actually) but the losses were <1% of just their own MiG-15 air combat losses in Korea so not as special for them (4 MiG's were actually present v 3 Panthers; the Panthers were credited with 2 MiG's and dam/probable but only one of the MiG's returned to base; one Panther was hit but returned safely).To me, what is significant, is when a US Navy CAP in F9F-5s, either 2 or 3 of them took on 7 Mig 15s and shot down two Migs and damaged another and all Panthers returned to the boat. The Mig pilots radio transmissions were recorded and some of the pilots were speaking Russian.
I dont think theres anyone here who feels that way, atleast the guys who have been here long enough to know better...some people seem to actually think prop planes were taking on MiG-15's in Korea on generally favorable terms
I didn't say you personally did, I don't even know who you areI sure as hell dont. I also dont see anyone here who does except for maybe the guy who thinks the Corsair is the best because it shot down a Mig.
I didn't say you personally did,
I said it and its a fact, witnessed and confirmed...Just two post ago somebody again mentioned A-1's claimed 2 MiG-17's in SEA, didn't say A-1's claimed 2 MiG-17's and MiG's downed 3 A-1's (it's almost never quoted that way).
As stated in earlier posts, first and second generation turbine aircraft were notorious for having poor engine spool up times. The Mig-15 accelerated well but when slowed down to speeds under 350 mph still did not initially accelerate as well when compared to older recip aircraft.
Great info Dave - I figured the "Tweet" would have some of those characteristics. The worse one I've flown in is a Fouga Magister, that thing is really gutless....I remember flying the T-37, which had centrifugal compressors similar to the Mig-15, and trying to accelerate after a stall series. I would run the throttles full forward and wait. First there was a low pitch whine with no increase in thrust, then the whine increased in pitch and after quite a time, the rpm would get into the 90% plus range, then I would start to feel a push in the back. Also, because acceleration was so slow, on final, the T-37 flew with speed brakes out and a gizmo out, called a thrust attenuator (small flaps that extended right behind the engine into the exhaust). This kept the RPMs high and if you had to go around, you pushed the throttles forward and closed the speed brake, which also closed the thrust attenuators. You got good response that way. Of course the T-38 was a whole different bird. When you plugged in the ABs on that plane it just leaped forward.
Great info Dave - I figured the "Tweet" would have some of those characteristics. The worse one I've flown in is a Fouga Magister, that thing is really gutless....
I think you could see how easy it is to get yourself into trouble in such aircraft. Put this it in a combat situation with a low time pilot and the stakes are doubled. One would probably have to analyze each combat scenario to see what each turbine aircraft pilot did to allow himself to get into a firing solution from a recip opponent but its funny as it happened in Vietnam the Mig-17 did have ABs
BTW - According to ACIG a YAK-9 downed an F-80 on July 19, 1950. It seems this is the only one for the Commies during Korea unless JoeB comes up with something else. As far as Communist jet fighters downing UN recip aircraft? (I know there are some who would like to see that) ACIG shows 6 for the Chinese and 9 for the Russians.
It's kind of funny - these rare incidents also happened in Vietnam 15 years later where Skyraiders Shot down Mig-17s on 2 occasions. Rare? Yes. No big deal? Maybe, unless you're on the receiving end and knowing that a "prop" plane just smoked your @ss as you float helplessly in your parachute OR unless you're pilot in that prop plane having a nice big red star being painted on your aircraft while you're being doused with champagne...