Boeing Names Independent Quality Review Leader
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F-35's sure weren't.But this puts it in perspective:
We are already getting more information about the F-47's origins. Both Boeing and Lockheed Martin built an x-plane in their quest to win the manned tactical fighter component of the Next Generation Air Dominance initiative. As we already knew, a demonstrator first flew in 2019. Now we know another one took to the skies in 2022.
Air Force Chief of Staff Alvin put out a statement following the award to Boeing, saying that "For the past five years, the x-planes for this aircraft have been quietly laying the foundation for the F-47 — flying hundreds of hours, testing cutting-edge concepts, and proving that we can push the envelope of technology with confidence." At the time it was not clear that both of the finalists had flown demonstrator aircraft.
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DARPA also states that both Boeing's and Lockheed Martin's x-planes flew "several hundred hours each" during the evaluation. It's unclear what the state of these aircraft are now. They could have served their finite purpose — not uncommon for flight demonstration vehicles with limited airframe hours designed into them — or they could continue to support NGAD and other programs, we just don't know. Boeing's aircraft could remain of particular value.
F-47 Was Born Out Of Secret X-Planes Built By Both Boeing And Lockheed
Each firm built a demonstrator jet, one flying in 2019 and the other in 2022, that logged hundreds of hours, resulting in major program risk reduction.www.twz.com
If it's been flying for 3-5 years, I'd imagine the bugs are probably worked out or on their way to resolution.
Boeing Commercial and Defense are completely different entities. But I can assure you things are improving.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Now if they'd just put a lounge in the airport.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Go Boeing!
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Groundhog II.
Thumpalumpacus
Lieutenant Colonel
F-35's sure weren't.
It's also an airplane they wanted to make do everything. That complexity will always engender teething issues.
Admiral Beez
Major
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Wasn't my idea.
Admiral Beez
Major
These fifty year old Boeing 737-200s are remarkable in that they came with a gravel runway option.
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View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QtskFPihsH4&pp=ygUdYm9laW5nIDczNy0yMDAgZ3JhdmVsIGxhbmRpbmc%3D
Looking at how Boeing used to make aircraft with emphasis on safety and quality over profit, and assuming good maintenance I'd bet these are better than the new ones. I wonder what gravel capable aircraft are available to replace these -200s when they're finally used up? Some info on gravel kits here, including vortex dissipators, using compressor bleed air, in front of each engine.
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Is there a spot on the pilot's logbook to indicate number of gravel landings?
Why Canada's north relies on 50-year-old jets to keep passengers, supplies moving
Old Boeing 737-200s are essential to Canada's north because they are one of few jet aircraft that can land on gravel runways.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QtskFPihsH4&pp=ygUdYm9laW5nIDczNy0yMDAgZ3JhdmVsIGxhbmRpbmc%3D
Looking at how Boeing used to make aircraft with emphasis on safety and quality over profit, and assuming good maintenance I'd bet these are better than the new ones. I wonder what gravel capable aircraft are available to replace these -200s when they're finally used up? Some info on gravel kits here, including vortex dissipators, using compressor bleed air, in front of each engine.
Gravel kit - Wikipedia
Is there a spot on the pilot's logbook to indicate number of gravel landings?
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These fifty year old Boeing 737-200s are remarkable in that they came with a gravel runway option.
Why Canada's north relies on 50-year-old jets to keep passengers, supplies moving
Old Boeing 737-200s are essential to Canada's north because they are one of few jet aircraft that can land on gravel runways.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QtskFPihsH4&pp=ygUdYm9laW5nIDczNy0yMDAgZ3JhdmVsIGxhbmRpbmc%3D
Looking at how Boeing used to make aircraft with emphasis on safety and quality over profit, and assuming good maintenance I'd bet these are better than the new ones. I wonder what gravel capable aircraft are available to replace these -200s when they're finally used up? Some info on gravel kits here, including vortex dissipators, using compressor bleed air, in front of each engine.
Gravel kit - Wikipedia
Is there a spot on the pilot's logbook to indicate number of gravel landings?
B-727 was approved for gravel runways but they may not be able to find a museum that will sell their 727. Best solution is to buy L-188 Electras. Keep patching the wings and they'll fly forever.
Admiral Beez
Major
There is the L-100. New builds or conversions may be suitable replacements for when the 737 gravel kits are WFU.
Lockheed L-100 Hercules passenger version
Does anyone remember Lockheed's proposal for a passenger version of the L-100-30 to replace the Lockheed L-188 Electra used on the air shuttle between the cities of Rio de Janeiro (Santos Dumont Airport) and São Paulo (Congonhas Airport)? If so, where do I get references about the concept?
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It seems odd that L-100's haven't seen more use in Canada. Pacific Western had several in the 1960's-70's but by the 1980's I think there was only one Canadian L-100 operated by NWT and they sometimes operated on overseas contracts. I'm guessing that they can't get the type of flight hours/year that will pay for a new L-100 so DC-3/DC-4/C-46/Electra have been more attractive. Maybe the Alaskan L-100 operators pick up work in Canada?There is the L-100. New builds or conversions may be suitable replacements for when the 737 gravel kits are WFU.
Lockheed L-100 Hercules passenger version
Does anyone remember Lockheed's proposal for a passenger version of the L-100-30 to replace the Lockheed L-188 Electra used on the air shuttle between the cities of Rio de Janeiro (Santos Dumont Airport) and São Paulo (Congonhas Airport)? If so, where do I get references about the concept?
Thumpalumpacus
Lieutenant Colonel
You'd need an awful lot of sound insulation for the cabin. But yeah, it would seem to be a natural.
Thumpalumpacus
Lieutenant Colonel
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department has reached a deal with Boeing that will allow the airplane giant to avoid criminal prosecution for allegedly misleading U.S. regulators about the 737 Max jetliner before two of the planes crashed and killed 346 people, according to court papers filed Friday.
Under the "agreement in principle," which still needs to be finalized, Boeing would pay or invest more than $1.1 billion, including an additional $445 million for the crash victims' families, the Justice Department said.
In return, the department has agreed to dismiss the fraud charge against Boeing, allowing the manufacturer to avoid a possible criminal conviction that could have jeopardized the company's status as a federal contractor, according to experts.
"Ultimately, in applying the facts, the law, and Department policy, we are confident that this resolution is the most just outcome with practical benefits," a Justice Department spokesperson said in a statement.
"Nothing will diminish the victims' losses, but this resolution holds Boeing financially accountable, provides finality and compensation for the families and makes an impact for the safety of future air travelers."
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Doesn't seem right.
Admiral Beez
Major
This Maximus Air Cargo L-100 seems to have good sound insulation.
Though the experience would be rather claustrophobic and submarine like.
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