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Can't help with that one I'm afraid.I've asked this before but since the variants came up, I've seen mention of an "F2A-2A" in a Curtiss-Wright engine type per aircraft type list. Any idea what that might be? Just the first batch of F2A-2s? Perhaps minor improvements were made to later F2A-2s, leading to different sub-designations by some?
Still like the looks of the flying beer barrel, though. Would love to see one flying.If the commander of the RN force that included the Repulse and the Prince of Wales had thought to call up the RAF and let them know where he was and where he was going then they could easily have covered those ships. Buffalos were on the ground, well within range, and could have scrambled on short notice. Since an IJN sub had reported the RN ships had no carrier with them, they sent the Nells and Bettys that sank the ships without fighter escort. The Buffalos would have had a field day with those Japanese bombers found at low altitude. And today we would be saying, "The Buffalo was the USN's first modern monoplane fighter, a contemporary of the Douglas TBD, and a nice airplane to fly, but a POS in combat against the Japanese. They did save the Repulse and the Prince of Wales, though."
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The sub threat had nothing to do with there being no carrier with Force Z. None was available. And the Admiralty weren't planning to send one East of Suez until about April 1942.If the commander of the RN force that included the Repulse and the Prince of Wales had thought to call up the RAF and let them know where he was and where he was going then they could easily have covered those ships. Buffalos were on the ground, well within range, and could have scrambled on short notice. Since an IJN sub had reported the RN ships had no carrier with them, they sent the Nells and Bettys that sank the ships without fighter escort. The Buffalos would have had a field day with those Japanese bombers found at low altitude. And today we would be saying, "The Buffalo was the USN's first modern monoplane fighter, a contemporary of the Douglas TBD, and a nice airplane to fly, but a POS in combat against the Japanese. They did save the Repulse and the Prince of Wales, though."
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I did not say there was sub threat. I said a IJN sub had spotted the ships and reported there was no carrier with them. The RN did not take the carrier with them because it was too slow and ineffective.The sub threat had nothing to do with there being no carrier with Force Z.
F2A-3s were aboard USS Lexington (CV-2) at the outbreak of the Pacific War. Transferred to USMC end of December 1941. The only combat action they saw in USN service was strafing a Japanese submarine.I think the F2A went straight to the USMC. A really old USMC pilot said that he was on the West Coast before WW2 and they got news that the East Coast Marines had got the hot new F2A and thus were mightily P.O.ed and envious.
After Midway the F2A's went to Miami and Pensacola and were used for training.
I don't suppose any were used on RN carriers?
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10 of the first 11 F2A-1 produced for the USN were delivered to VF-3 on Saratoga in Dec 1939. They traded them for F2A-2 in 1940 and in 1941 VF-2 on Lexington and VS-201 on Long Island received them in 1941. These were in turn traded for F2A-3 models later in 1941 by these USN units. At that point the earlier F2A-2 models were passed to USMC squadrons and later augmented by more F2A-3.I think the F2A went straight to the USMC. A really old USMC pilot said that he was on the West Coast before WW2 and they got news that the East Coast Marines had got the hot new F2A and thus were mightily P.O.ed and envious.
After Midway the F2A's went to Miami and Pensacola and were used for training.
I don't suppose any were used on RN carriers?
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The FM-1 took out two guns and went back to the 430 rpg ammo capacity. The extra ammo weighed more than extra guns did.A few corrections if a I may?
3 - F4F-4 (early) = 7,426 lb
Checked my copy of AHT, this weight appears to be be one of those "trick" weights the Navy was so fond of. Only 4 guns and only 200rpg of ammo. Also only 110 gals of fuel.
4 - F4F-4 (late) = 7,973 lb
5 - FM-1 = 8,050 lb
The FM-1 took out two guns and went back to the 430 rpg ammo capacity. The extra ammo weighed more than extra guns did.
3 - Me-109T2 = 6,786 lb
one of my books says that is the maximum overload weight. The T-2s were given the same sort of under wing/fuselage rack as the Jabo 109Es had and would hold the 66imp gallon drop tank, four 50kg bombs or one 250kg bomb.
I Appreciate your work, I have no idea how to make a graph
Not that I know of Rob, they were still flying off of the Lexington until Feb of 1942, then just operational on the USS Ranger in the Atlantic for a few more months. Then the USMC unti shortly after Midway. Then off to the training squadrons. The books I have on the 2 Lake Michigan Training Ships do not list them operating from either carrier, sorryWere any flown on and off USS Sable or USS Wolverine? I'm hoping there's a couple of them down there worth salvaging.
VF-2 went ashore at Pearl Harbor on 26 January to exchange their F2A-3 with F4F-3A. The Brewsters would go to the Marines.Not that I know of Rob, they were still flying off of the Lexington until Feb of 1942, then just operational on the USS Ranger in the Atlantic for a few more months. Then the USMC unti shortly after Midway. Then off to the training squadrons. The books I have on the 2 Lake Michigan Training Ships do not list them operating from either carrier, sorry.
The Finns assigned their Brewsters to their most seasoned fighter wing. It was considered the best of the hodge-podge of fighter aircraft Finland had purchased either directly from the manufacturers or from war booty stocks from Germany.You have to consider that the Fin's did not do arrested carrier landings with them, they were notorious for breaking the lower MLG leg when landing on carriers.
Also the Fin's versions were much lighter than the versions flown my the USN & USMC. From what I understand the Buffalo was a good flying aircraft, as long as you did not have to climb rapidly to intercept incoming A/C with short notice.
Also Pilot training and Quality account for alot, the inexperienced USMC Aviators did not stand much of a chance vs the best of the Japanese Naval Aviators in the best Carrier Fighter of the era.
The fighter squadron on Ranger was VF-4.Not that I know of Rob, they were still flying off of the Lexington until Feb of 1942, then just operational on the USS Ranger in the Atlantic for a few more months. Then the USMC unti shortly after Midway. Then off to the training squadrons. The books I have on the 2 Lake Michigan Training Ships do not list them operating from either carrier, sorry
You have to remember, the Finns were never in the war, per se. They had a disagreement with the Russians over some land. That was the whole skirmish in a nutshell. Once the skirmish had concluded, Finland went back to being a neutral country.The US Navy should have given the Finns ALL of their Buffalos. The war might have been shorter and the Finns would have had a lot more spare parts. They might have developed a Jet Buffalo and might still be flying it.
You have to consider that the Fin's did not do arrested carrier landings with them, they were notorious for breaking the lower MLG leg when landing on carriers.
Also the Fin's versions were much lighter than the versions flown my the USN & USMC. From what I understand the Buffalo was a good flying aircraft, as long as you did not have to climb rapidly to intercept incoming A/C with short notice.
The Finns assigned their Brewsters to their most seasoned fighter wing. It was considered the best of the hodge-podge of fighter aircraft Finland had purchased either directly from the manufacturers or from war booty stocks from Germany.