Canadian Air Frce against U.S. Air Force

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  1. Jank

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    Was having a discussion with a chap who just got out of the Canadian Air Corp who was satying that in mock figher engagements, Canadian fighter pilots usually win against U.S. pilots.

    Is that really true?
     
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    I for one wouldn't know, but it's become my understanding that an awful lot of US Airforce fighter pilots these days are reservists. I guess I should be asking if that's true. If so, it could explain a thing or two about that. :dontknow:
    Canadian pilots are good though, you can bet on it.

    To my knowledge though (and I could be wrong), Canadian fighter pilots haven't actually been in real air to air combat in quite some time, although they have conducted actual air to ground sorties.
     
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    I'm gonna listen awhile :hesitantdevil:
     
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    Well give us the inside scoop, Air Force boy. ;)
     
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    i'll wait it might surprise you
     
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    In a good way or a bad way? I hate nasty surprises, they always cause me to drink. :rolleyes:

    No wait, maybe that ain't so bad. :toothy5:
     
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    Not since Korea, unless you count those two snowbirds colliding.

    The Canadian Airforce along with the Navy take after Britains moder day tactics so yeah theyre really well trained, I think its safe to say that we are of envy for our Discipline, Profesionalism and all around skill, but in return we are envious of the fact that everyone else has better toys than we do.
     
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    102 please share your knowledge
     
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    I knew guys who flew exchange - American in Canada and visa versa - it's a tough call. I have found the CAF very professional and they seem to take care of the little they have.

    I think it's going to depend on equipment, the sceniro and tactics, but the Canadians will always be fighting grossly outnumbered.....
     
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    "fighting grossly outnumbered....."

    You have just hit the Bullseye on that one man, I was just brushing up on my History earlier toaday, Reading about such battles as, Hong Kong and Kowloon, Korea 38th paralell(my regiment got an American award for that one), Newfoundlanders at Beaumont Hamel, Battle of Caan and many others. all through our history of war weve been outnumbered.
     
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    The outnumbered thing is a bit of a no brainer at this point. :lol:

    Wait a minute, what the hell am I laughing at? :rolleyes:
     
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    Your from Nova Scotia, youre probably laughing cuz your mom fell down the stairs :)

    ;)
     
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    what citation did the loyal edmonton guys get from US
     
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    Huh? Seriously, I don't get it. Oh wait right, that was a joke or something. #-o


    ;)
     
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    Well the Loyal Eddies is a part of the PPCLI, they got an American Citation.


    Anyway FBJ put it quite well, however these days training though a big part is useless if the enemy has more and better tools than you do, if a group of Cf-18s fought head on with a group of American F15's The Canadians would pounce maybe taking down 1 or 2 planes depending how fast the f-15's respond to evade, then once the F-15's manage to pull themselves together and get into the fight we might be looking at an even ratio, However If we ever did meet head on it probably be against F-22's in which we would had our asses kicked, thats my imagination, Pb foot is or was in the Canadian Air Force maybe he can give you a nicer picture then I did.
     
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    The 2nd Battalion of the PPCLI was awarded the US Presidential Unit Citation for action during the Battle of Kapyong, during the Korean War.
    The 3rd Battalion of the Royal Australian Regiment was awarded it too, for action in the same battle. The only two Commonwealth battalions to be so awarded by the Americans. I didn't know the honour carried over to the Loyal Edmonton Regiment though.
     
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    I think the CF-18 will have a disadvantage in radar systems. If you bring the F-22 into the mix, there is no hope. Here is some info on the F-22....

    "Simulations conducted by British Aerospace and the British Defense Research Agency compared the effectiveness of the F-15C, Rafale, EF-2000, and F-22 against the Russian Su-35 armed with active radar missiles similar to the AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM). The Rafale achieved a 1:1 kill ratio (1 Su-35 destroyed for each Rafale lost). The EF-2000 kill ratio was 4.5:1 while the F-22 achieved a ratio of 10:1. In stark contrast was the F-15C, losing 1.3 Eagles for each Su-35 destroyed."
     
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    it'd be interesting to see a Eurofighter up against a F-22.......
     
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    I wouldnt have been surprised that the F15 wasnt doing to well against modern fighters.

    Remember, the F15 is an early 70's airframe design. Its over 30 years old.

    To put it in historical perspective, the number of years from when WW2 ended to when the F15 first took flight, is the same number of years from today till when the Eagle first flew.

    Time has moved forward and aircraft like the F15 and F14 are approaching the end of their usefull lifetimes.
     
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    also, is in not still the RCAF not just the CAF??
     
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