Cars named after (or same as) WW2 and 1950s aircraft?

[GrauGeist]

Besides, the P-51s were purchased by the U.S. government. The planes belonged to them and its not like an image of a warplane should ever become a trademark.

North American built a number of iconic aircraft. Which one would be a trademark?

North American Aviation (NAA) was a major American aerospace manufacturer, responsible for a number of historic aircraft, including the T-6 Texan trainer, the P-51 Mustang fighter, the B-25 Mitchell bomber, the F-86 Sabre jet fighter, the X-15 rocket plane, and the XB-70, as well as Apollo Command and Service Module, the second stage of the Saturn V rocket, the Space Shuttle orbiter and the B-1 Lancer.

Well, actually, some companies retain trademarks on file:

P-38 LIGHTNING Trademark of Lockheed Martin Corporation - Registration Number 2610669 - Serial Number 76269978 :: Justia Trademarks

Scale model airplanes

trademarks.justia.com

 

[GrauGeist]

Boeing retains the trademark for the P-51 Mustang:

P-51 Mustang Trademarks - Justia Trademarks

trademarks.justia.com

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Boeing retains the trademark for the P-51 Mustang:

P-51 Mustang Trademarks - Justia Trademarks

trademarks.justia.com

Good work! The video game tms almost surely have the image trademarked.

 

[GrauGeist]

Good work! The video game tms almost surely have the image trademarked.

And model kits, toys, likeness on t-shirts and I would imagine, an emblem on a fender or grill...

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

And model kits, toys, likeness on t-shirts and I would imagine, an emblem on a fender or grill...

Note that this very forum uses an image of a P-51 in its banner, almost certainly without paying any royalties.

 

[Peter Gunn]

How is an image of a P-51 copyrighted?

How could they prevent Ford from using it?

Besides, that is the name the UK Air Ministry gave it.

Ask Lee Iacocca, he's the one that wrote and spoke about it.

One might also consider large corporations and interactions between them. Not to mention lawyers.

 

[GrauGeist]

Note that this very forum uses an image of a P-51 in its banner, almost certainly without paying any royalties.

That's where it can get weird:
If Tamiya wants to release a 1/32 scale kit for resale, it has to be run through the legal department.

If ww2aircraft uses a likeness in artwork form, that should pass muster, since the likeness is not being used in a commercial venture.

Another example: if I create a Star Wars Stormtrooper helmet for personal use (display or costuming), that's fine.
If I manufacture said helmet for sale without Lucasfilm or Disney's approval, their lawyers will fall on me like a sack of hammers.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

If ww2aircraft uses a likeness in artwork form, that should pass muster, since the likeness is not being used in a commercial venture.

And even that isn't a complete shield. For instance, if (shudder) this site was populated by vocal white supremacists, Boeing would have every right to issue a cease-and-desist based on its intellectual property being associated with reprehensible views.

 

[special ed]

Returning to the thread, the Saturn was mentioned as well as the Dodge Lancer. The Saturn was a missile, yet an aircraft.

 

[GrauGeist]

Jeep Commando - C-46
Studebaker Lark - Helton Lark (based on Culver PQ-8)
Suzuki Hyabusa - KI-43 Hyabusa
Dodge Dakota - DC-3 Dakota
Buick Electra - Lockheed Electra

 

[Alan Stevens]

Even though the P-51 was purchased by the govt, NAA was well within its rights to have an image of it trademarked. Hell, I could take an image of the P-51 and use it as a trademark so long as it doesn't infringe on NAA intellectual property -- which is different from their design patents etc.

Again, that could be argued in court on an informal basis, especially because we so identify the Mustang with NAA in common culture, moreso than any other of the great planes and craft you've listed. NAA would still be hard-put without marca registrada to have a solid case.

So far as I can tell, the image or likeness of the P-51 doesn't belong to anyone legally.

Many other people identify the Mustang with the maverick untamed wild horse in common culture.

 

[Alan Stevens]

Returning to the thread, the Saturn was mentioned as well as the Dodge Lancer. The Saturn was a missile, yet an aircraft.

Saturn was a planet before it was a rocket.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Many other people identify the Mustang with the maverick untamed wild horse in common culture.

Of course. But we're talking about legalities here, not public perception.

 

[AMCKen]

"Saturn was a planet before it was a rocket."
And before Saturn was a planet, he was one of several thousand gods that people have made up over the millenia.

 

[SaparotRob]

Before that he was a parking attendant at the Primordial Monobloc Hilton.

 

[Alan Stevens]

Of course. But we're talking about legalities here, not public perception.

Where did the word "Mustang" come from?

These ancestors were Spanish horses brought to North America by explorers during the 1500s. The cowboys who caught and sold mustangs during the 18th and 19 centuries were known as mustangers. The word mustang comes from the Spanish mestengo, "wild, stray, or having no master.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Where did the word "Mustang" come from?

These ancestors were Spanish horses brought to North America by explorers during the 1500s. The cowboys who caught and sold mustangs during the 18th and 19 centuries were known as mustangers. The word mustang comes from the Spanish mestengo, "wild, stray, or having no master.

Who owns the marca registrada for an airplane shaped like a Mustang?

You're ignoring completely the point, so I won't be interacting with you any more. I'll suggest you look up intellectual property, but doubt you'll actually do that as you seem to be deliberately ignoring the point already.

*plonk*

 

[Reluctant Poster]

Yes, the logo was to touch on their aircraft engine manufacturing heritage.

Same with many older GM vehicles, which had a carriage logo on the rocker panel step plate: "Body by Fisher".
Fisher manufactured carriages and buggies before the advent of the automobile.

Fisher was a separate division responsible for the bodies of almost all GM cars up until 1984. The actually separate plants within the main car plant.

View: https://youtu.be/l-7ZmsBXBOk?si=BCqMtc86jCyURcPN

 

[Alan Stevens]

Who owns the marca registrada for an airplane shaped like a Mustang?

You're ignoring completely the point, so I won't be interacting with you any more. I'll suggest you look up intellectual property, but doubt you'll actually do that as you seem to be deliberately ignoring the point already.

*plonk*

Are you saying that a P-51 is shaped like a wild horse?

Doesn't look that way to me.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]