Zippythehog
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- Jan 7, 2017
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In hindsight I don't think sending four hundred Spitfires from Britain to Malaya would have put the former at any greater risk.Strip Fighter Command to the bones and ship them off to Malaya. I think Britain was pretty safe in 1940
Mohawks and Warhawks, from the French orders? And Marylands and Bostons, also from French contracts?
Sorry if I am late to the party. I don't know much about the debate but it seems material might not be the limitation? Perhaps I'm in error, but I would expect trained crews to be the pinchpoint.
Perhaps you might like to reassess that statement in light of this study and especially the table on page 23 of the .pdf which shows Fighter Command aircraft and pilot strength in 1941/42. In particular note that the total number of Spitfires available to Fighter Command in the Spring of 1941 was only around 400!In hindsight I don't think sending four hundred Spitfires from Britain to Malaya would have put the former at any greater risk.
For the obvious delay in getting radar install an observor corps equivalent based on the east coast and northern borders and strategically along the Malay interior. Pull the aircraft back from the eastern coast airfields and wreck the fields.
Matador plans should never have been entertained, they neither had the resources or indeed the political inclination to undertake a pre-emptive attack on southern Thailand. The Jitra line should have been completed and troops remain and train there.
Extra aircraft - use the bonus of the French orders being diverted to GB- 50 x Chesapeake (Vindicator) dive bombers, 150 x Mohawk fighters plus 150 x Battles (modified in the interim to attack with radial engine, self sealing tanks, light armour, 2 x crew instead of 3 and extra m.gs. I'd also send the remaining B17C's that the RAF didnt really want to Malaya to be the only long range force capable of hitting southern French Indo-China- I think there were 16 left.
And yes in the remaining time build up stores, workshops and the specialised staff to do the work. Australia & NZ offered to help with manpower. Due to British and unfortunately Australian political games we had no aircraft industry at that stage to help with the numbers.
Just when do you intend making this deployment?I'd also send the remaining B17C's that the RAF didnt really want to Malaya to be the only long range force capable of hitting southern French Indo-China- I think there were 16 left.
48 (2 were lost at sea en route to the UK in June 1941) which only began to arrive in Britain in April 1941 (in line with the French contract that Britain took over in June 1940) and whose delivery and assembly lasted until Nov 1941. By the time you ship them to Malaya instead, allow for reserves and formation of new squadrons (where are the crews coming from?) you might get 2 partially trained squadrons of an already obsolete type at the end of a long supply chain in service before the Japanese invasion. And these were IIRC, the last of the type to be built, with the USN already retiring them to a training role as the SBD became available in numbers.Extra aircraft - use the bonus of the French orders being diverted to GB- 50 x Chesapeake (Vindicator) dive bombers,
The only homogeneous group of Mohawks were the 204 ex French Mohawk IV. Less 16 to Portugal (got to keep them sweet in case they start providing bases for U-boats in the Azores). Less some (6?) found to be too damaged when removed from packing cases in Britain.150 x Mohawk fighters
That proposal has to be a pre-1939 project. You don't simply swap out an inline Merlin for a new radial (Source?) without a development programme.plus 150 x Battles (modified in the interim to attack with radial engine, self sealing tanks, light armour, 2 x crew instead of 3 and extra m.gs.
And remember 150 or however many aircraft does not mean 150 on the front line. You get maybe 50% on the front line with the remainder at MUs as attrition replacements for operational, and non operational, losses. Look at the Buffalo. 167 delivered to Singapore. They equipped 5 squadrons there or in Burma (UE 16 each) total 80. As for the rest, a few losses in training with the rest as reserves for future losses.
So you are happy to sacrifice the Middle East and Eastern India to prop up Malaya? As I've said before there were no easy decisions to be made. More for Malaya means less elsewhere.
There was a very good reason for airfields being built where they were which doesn't appear on your map - geography. And it also explains the route of the Japanese advance in 1941/42. The centre of the Malayan peninsula is jungle covered hill and mountain. There are many peaks rising to over 6,000ft with some over 7,000ft hiding steep ravines with fast flowing rivers and streams. See here.Excluding Singapore, Malaya should have built three main airbases, with hardened well drained runways, good shelter, AA, etc. perhaps along the below railways and roads.
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Good info. Imagine putting a radar station on those 6,000 ft peaks…. impossible and impracticable I know.There was a very good reason for airfields being built where they were which doesn't appear on your map - geography. And it also explains the route of the Japanese advance in 1941/42. The centre of the Malayan peninsula is jungle covered hill and mountain. There are many peaks rising to over 6,000ft with some over 7,000ft hiding steep ravines with fast flowing rivers and streams. See here.
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There is an article here about railway construction in Malaya, including a bit about the difficulties of building the line north from Gemas to Tumpat (near Kota Bharu). It took over 15 years to complete. Note the comments about it passing through "virgin jungle" and most of the local development being restricted to areas close to the rivers. Then add the rainfall in the area. Not wonderful for building airfields.
The Development of Malaya - Railway Wonders of the World
The story of the system that serves the Federated Malay States, the Straits Settlements, and the Unfederated States of Johore, Kelantan, Kedah, and Perlis. The Federal Railway Administration possesses 946 miles of track of one-metre gauge. There are also 121 miles of track in the Johore State...www.railwaywondersoftheworld.com
Postwar it was the helicopter that came into its own during Operation Firedog (the Malayan Emergency 1948-60) in penetrating these central areas.
Edit:- and note how many of the airfields on the west coast were built along the available railway system.
But just how badly affected by rain were these northern airfields?Good info. Imagine putting a radar station on those 6,000 ft peaks…. impossible and impracticable I know.
Pick three of the above airfields, build hardened runways with good drainage, with proper covered hangar/warehouse space for maintenance and spare aircraft, and AA and ground defences. Destroy or never build the others to begin with. Achieve this by consolidating the budget, manpower and resources from all the other airfields into three air bases. With only 160 odd active aircraft you don't need more than the Singapore airbases plus three large, all-weather and we'll-defended ones in Malaya.
The longer time, fuel use and distances between alert to aircraft arrival will be an issue to deal with. Perhaps an observer corp or improved colony-wide communications.
Always best to remember that the jungle, and in this case the weather, is neutral. (With apologies to F Spencer Chapman).Fantastic photos EwanS, love them!
Re the wet and mostly grass airfields that the RAF operated off in Malaya/Singapore, the Japanese weren't any better off regarding the airfields they operated off either!, The airfields in southern Indo-China and on the Kra Isthmus of Thailand also suffered badly from the monsoon season.
Fantastic photos EwanS, love them!
Re the wet and mostly grass airfields that the RAF operated off in Malaya/Singapore, the Japanese weren't any better off regarding the airfields they operated off either!, The airfields in southern Indo-China and on the Kra Isthmus of Thailand also suffered badly from the monsoon season.