Court Rules Against Army Deserter

[ccheese]

Court Rules Against Army Deserter

Vancouver, B.C.

Canada's federal court ruled Monday that an American army deserter can be
deported to the United States, rejecting his request for a stay of the order.

Justice Anne Mactavish said Robin Long did not provide clear and convincing
evidence that he will suffer irreparable harm if he is returned to the U.S.

Long, 25, fled to Canada in 2005 to avoid serving in Iraq. Officials said Long
probably would be deported Tuesday. Long said he sought refuge in Canada
because the U.S. Army wanted him to participate in what he calls an "illegal
war of aggression In Iraq".

This from the (Norfolk) Virginian Pilot.

My heart really bleeds for this scum-bag.

Charles

 

[FLYBOYJ]

He wasn't drafted - should of thought of this before he signed on the dotted line.

I hope his cell in Leavenworth is hot in the summer and cold in the winter with a nice lumpy matress...

 

[ccheese]

I just hope the U.S. Army military police are waiting at the border with
a brand new pair of bracelets....

Charles

 

[ToughOmbre]

Good!

Notice how the left-wing nutjob sites call him a "war resister".

He's a DESERTER!

Deserted his comrades, the US Army and his country.

Throw the book at him!

TO

 

[Bucksnort101]

Yep, they are all too happy to get the free education the Services gives them, but when it comes time to do what they are trained to do they scurry off to Canada or some other country with thier tails between thier legs. Hope the book is thrown at him and then thrown again. Thankfully he will be tried in a Military court instead of a Civilian court.

 

[Thorlifter]

that's exactly it Buck. So many were/are looking for something for free, and now they have to earn their pay.

Sorry scumbag!

 

[timshatz]

They'll probably throw him out.

The whole thing stunk. It sounded more like this guy was a plant. Get in, go deserter and make a political stink about it. If this guy comes back and gets jail time, he becomes the poster child for the looney left.

The military doesn't particularly want him. My guess is they give him a DD.

Will ask a friend of mine who was a Col in Jag. He's seen a thousand cases like this. I think I recall talking to him about stuff like this and the military typically gave them the DD and an escort out the front gate. Believe it or not, it is usually the greater of two evils. Trying to get through life with a Dishonarable Discharge is not easy. Basically brands you a coward and a loser.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I hope they slam the book on him! I have no sympathy for shitbags like this guy!

 

[Erich]

wish the courts had the ballz in 1968-74 during Nam to slam these arschlochers

 

[RabidAlien]

Give him a DD or BCD. Make it a permanent part of any and every record attached to his scumsucking name. Cut his nuts off so he can't breed again.

'Course, he'll probably run for President in fifteen or twenty years...

 

[Njaco]

Why the 'ell did he volunteer??!!! Scumbag.

 

[Freebird]

Once in awhile even the Canadian judges get it right! {dateline from my hometown too} Regardless of the merits of his "claim" we sure don't need to encourage all US deserters scofflaws to come here!

But I have a question for Joe, Chris, Charles the other Vets: Suppose some guy becomes a christian or undergoes a "religious conversion" after signing up, should he be able to serve in a non-combat role? {like the consensious objectors did in the days of the draft}

 

[evangilder]

Well, having served with a number of different religions, I can honestly say that there were many Christians who had no problem pulling the trigger. I suppose if the guy still wants to serve, it's borderline, especially if he trained as a rifleman.

This guys deserves nothing more than to be shamed and scorned for the rest of his life. "war resister". What a euphemism for coward. You signed on the dotted line knowing full well that if you had to, you would pick up a rifle and go into combat. Every vet and standing member of the military knows that. I knew it, Dan knew it, Joe, Chris, and a host of others all knew it.

My first time carrying a rifle in bad-guy land, I was scared shitless. But I did it, it was my job, and my commitment, not only to my country, but the other guys on my team that were counting on me to watch their back.

 

[Freebird]

Well, having served with a number of different religions, I can honestly say that there were many Christians who had no problem pulling the trigger.

I know that most of the people from my own church are adamant that a true christian could never carry a rifle. However this is a view that I personally reject. "An eye for an eye" seems more appropriate.

I suppose if the guy still wants to serve, it's borderline, especially if he trained as a rifleman.

Does the army allow that? I would think that would be the best solution, if he has a religious objection to going into combat he should still have to go to Iraq, but he would be working at the airport or in a hospital or something like that. In fact if he is given a "non-combat" job of driving a supply truck in a convoy it is probably MORE dangerous than carrying a rifle. The bottom line would be that if he is opposed to carrying a rifle he would probably be useless in combat anyways.

This guys deserves nothing more than to be shamed and scorned for the rest of his life. "war resister". What a euphemism for coward. You signed on the dotted line knowing full well that if you had to, you would pick up a rifle and go into combat. Every vet and standing member of the military knows that. I knew it, Dan knew it, Joe, Chris, and a host of others all knew it.

What exactly do you commit to when you "sign on the dotted line"? Do you promise to "carry a rifle"? Or is it only to "serve in the army"?

My first time carrying a rifle in bad-guy land, I was scared shitless. But I did it, it was my job, and my commitment, not only to my country, but the other guys on my team that were counting on me to watch their back.

Thankfully that is the way almost all see it.

I suppose if the guy is really opposed to going into combat he should be given a choice:

1.) perform whatever non-combat roles he is given in the army.

{and remember that "non-combat" could be just as dangerous as a combat role}

or 2.) Get a DD and have to pay back EVERY F**KING cent of his collage money!

 

[Lucky13]

All that deserts dishonour those that has been wounded or haven fallen doing their duty....

 

[starling]

is...an eye for an eye...not in the old testanment.yours,starling.

 

[RabidAlien]

Yep, that's Old Testament. Basically it boils down to each individual's personal convictions whether or not they should/can serve or not. I served, and have been a Christian for many years, long before I "signed the dotted line". Someone suddenly becoming a concientious objector is better than becoming a deserter, true, but there are better ways of going about it. He could've asked for a transfer to a non-combat role, and the Army would've happily transferred him (nobody wants someone sharing a foxhole when they KNOW the guy is probably gonna run at the first funny-sounding noise). But there's a difference between coming to that conclusion after alot of heartfelt soul-searching, and getting scared when the orders come down and oh-by-the-way-I-can't-carry-a-rifle-all-of-a-sudden. That's just plain cowardice.

 

[timshatz]

I think Rabid has it. If you have a religious conversion (or even a question of conscience) in the military, there are ways it can be handled that don't involve running off to Canada. What that guy did was a political statement for the intention of making said statement. It's BS. He wanted his time in front of the cameras.

But, on a different note, he did sign a contract. We all did. Vast majority of us fullfilled the terms and were discharged. He didn't. It is almost a question of contract law at this point.

Haven't heard back from my friend on this one but am having dinner with him tonight. Will post tomorrow after I know more.

 

[parsifal]

well

I wouldnt want someone like thyat in my team watching my back. You just would never know if he was going to be there to cover you, just when you needed it.

Im not all that intersted in making jerks like that "pay". i just see them as a drain on society, and a risk to anyone unfortunate enough to have to rely on them

 

[timshatz]

Another thought. The Army is making it's quota on recruiting. Actually, in some cases, it is way ahead. The reserves are at 108% for the year. Probably has more to do with the economic conditions in the country than anything else.

My guess is they will offer him a chance to go back to what he was doing (they usually do that, if for no other reason that as standard policy) and then dump the loser. DD and a one way ticket to loserville, population: 1 Army Deserter!