drgondog
Major
Didn't watch it but the first Mustang I and P-51As were flying in 1942. The P-51B-1 first combat mission was 12/1/1943 with 354FG led by 4th FG CO Don Blakeslee out of Boxted.
Dog fights on the History channel
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Didn't watch it but the first Mustang I and P-51As were flying in 1942. The P-51B-1 first combat mission was 12/1/1943 with 354FG led by 4th FG CO Don Blakeslee out of Boxted.
Njaco
The Pop-Tart Whisperer
and there we have why "Beverly Hillbillies" is still in reruns!
JugBR
Staff Sergeant
man HC is 30% interesting stuff, 70% ufos, big foots, biased docs...
when discovery will decides make a show about ww2 pilots, you guys will easily forget the lame dogfights of HC.
when discovery will decides make a show about ww2 pilots, you guys will easily forget the lame dogfights of HC.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
One funny thing in the clip "P-38 vs Me 109" (Episode Title is Air Ambush) is that when they drop their tanks the P-38's pylons fall off along with the tanks. 
I personally won't forget the show though, if for no other reason than that I first saw it last summer while in vacation in Washington DC, after after visiting the NSAM that day. (that's when I started to get seriously interested in this stuff)
I personally won't forget the show though, if for no other reason than that I first saw it last summer while in vacation in Washington DC, after after visiting the NSAM that day. (that's when I started to get seriously interested in this stuff)
JugBR
Staff Sergeant
yes i understand, but my point is HC is not a serious channel anymore.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
Yeah, but at least there are some good pilot interviews in Dogfights along with (sometimes) decent depiction in CGI, and occasionally some good additions from the historians. (or "consultants") At least it has somthing to do with history.
Certainly far from perfect, but they could do, and apparently are doing, much worse.
Certainly far from perfect, but they could do, and apparently are doing, much worse.
B-17engineer
Colonel
Alright thanks...
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
Another thing I noticed wrong about those P-38's in "Air Ambush" is that the propellers are rotating the wrong way. (inward at the top of the disc instead of outward)
When I watched that episode I didn't think of any problem with a P-51 being there. Besides, that was part of the Olds's story, so it wouldn't have been an inaccuracy on the show's part. Also the thing abou the maneuverability of the P-38 vs 109 was also a quote from him, not a statement made by the historians.
However the P-38's are modeled as P-38J's (the prominant chin intakes clearly visible), but this is August of '43 and those would have to be brand new planes to be J models.
When I watched that episode I didn't think of any problem with a P-51 being there. Besides, that was part of the Olds's story, so it wouldn't have been an inaccuracy on the show's part. Also the thing abou the maneuverability of the P-38 vs 109 was also a quote from him, not a statement made by the historians.
However the P-38's are modeled as P-38J's (the prominant chin intakes clearly visible), but this is August of '43 and those would have to be brand new planes to be J models.
B-17engineer
Colonel
Yea the show can be a little inaccurate
Old Wizard
2nd Lieutenant
It's no worse than a lot of WWII movies that use wartime footage of equipment and aircraft that didn't exist in the time-frame of the movie's story. One of the common ones are scenes of a flight of F4Fs followed by ones of F6Fs which didn't exist at the time.
Rumor is that Dogfights has been dropped. Read on the HC boards that the decision is a year old. Had a ratings dip when they moved it from one night to another and that was pretty much that.
A lot of people are pretty pissed at the HC because it shows so little history anymore. At least to read the boards. Too bad. Used to be a good channel.
A lot of people are pretty pissed at the HC because it shows so little history anymore. At least to read the boards. Too bad. Used to be a good channel.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
The writer's strike probably had something to do with it too. (as with several other shows that may not have been dropped otherwise)
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Erich
the old Sage
was able to see the Bodenplatte episode, aka Asch airfield scenario and to tell the truth it was the best one I have seen. Actually wish I had a copy of it ....
If you have Tivo, or any DVR Recorder, you can set it to Record and it grabs them whenever they show. Usually, they are on once a month.
BIG BIRD
Airman
I saw a history show on youtube.com talkining about the mig 15. They even went as fare to say the mig 15 was superior to the f-86. that show was from a long time ago. i think they called it heavy metal. The point is the current day histery channel would never have a show about a russian jet and they would even call inferior to the f-86 when in the past they called it superior.
The current history channel is going to the dogs.
The current history channel is going to the dogs.
kool kitty89
Senior Master Sergeant
Technology wise the F-86 was superior. (radar-ranging sight, fully boosted controls, truely trassonic -can safely break Mach 1.0-) But overall you'd have to go more into it than that to compare them, but generally speaking there about as even a match as there's been in arial warfare.
A pretty good comparison:
Sabre vs MiG
A pretty good comparison:
Sabre vs MiG
Well the F-86 also benefitted more from German help, the Americans possessing some of Germany's top engineers. The Soviets had also captured German engineers scientists, but they're production couldn't manufacture the advanced German designs and so compromises had to be made. The Soviets always thought of quantity over quality.
The western production technology was better suited for the advanced technology captured in Germany.
The Sabre design did for example take advantage of many of the inventions on the Me-262, such as the full span slats vastly improving turn performance, stalling and landing characteristics, z variable incidence horizontal stabilizer etc etc.
The MIG-15 featured wing fences to combat tip stalls, not the ideal solution but cheaper, quicker less complicated to manufacture.
The western production technology was better suited for the advanced technology captured in Germany.
The Sabre design did for example take advantage of many of the inventions on the Me-262, such as the full span slats vastly improving turn performance, stalling and landing characteristics, z variable incidence horizontal stabilizer etc etc.
The MIG-15 featured wing fences to combat tip stalls, not the ideal solution but cheaper, quicker less complicated to manufacture.
JugBR
Staff Sergeant
both the sabre and the mig 15 design was very influentiated by me p.1101
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Lucky13
Forum Mascot
Anyone knows what's going on, with the gang that did "Dogfights"?
Is this the email [email protected] to those that did the series?
Is this the email [email protected] to those that did the series?
