eBay: Messerschmitt Me262

[johnbr]

 

[johnbr]

Me 262 gesprengt im Waldwerk

 

[Wurger]

 

[Old Wizard]

 

[Gnomey]

Good shots guys!

 

[fubar57]

Man.....if only some of those guys were thinking of the future

Bill: "Hey Bill, do you think we should save a couple dozen of these?"
Bill: "I don't know Bill, there's an awful lot of them laying around. I'll ask Bill. Hey Bill, are we saving any of
these what could one day be priceless artifacts?"
Bill: "Nope, head Bill said no one will care about these in the future"

 

[Snautzer01]

Me262A-1a - ? - Doris - Jabo Bait - 14 - FE-110 (LEMB)
Me262B-1a, WNr.11063, which later became "Vera" and then renamed "Willie"(LEMB)
All photos taken at Melun-Villaroche during their transfer flight from Lechfeld to Cherbourg

 

[Wurger]

 

[vikingBerserker]

Beautiful!

 

[stona]

First Picture.
Me 262 B-1a. Wnr. 110639.
Named '639' and 'Vera' by the 54th Air Disarmament Squadron. Renamed 'Willie' and '555' by Watson's Whizzers.


Second Picture.
Me 262 A-1a/U4. Wnr. 170083.
It was named 'Wilma Jeanne by the 54th Air Disarmament Squadron. Renumbered '000' and renamed 'Happy Hunter II' by Watson's Whizzer. Crashed 60 miles west of Paris on transfer flight, 18th June 1945.

Third Picture.
I assume this is 'Doris', 'Jabo Bait', '777'. A Me 262 A-2a Wnr. 110836, but I can't check at the moment.

Fourth Picture
Me 262 A-1a converted to A-1a/U3. Wnr. 500453.
Named 'Connie the Sharp One' by 54th Air Disarmament Squadron (as seen above). Renumbered '444' and renamed 'Pick II' by Watson's Whizzers. The reconnaissance nose was replaced with a standard fighter nose in the US.

Cheers

Steve

 

[Capt. Vick]

I read last night that the recon version of the Me 262 had a window in the bottom of the cockpit. Does anyone know if this is true? Are there pictures of this if it is so?

 

[stona]

Since it was only the nose in front of cockpit tub that was different I can't see how there would have been. Also the way the aircraft was put together would make this tricky, though not impossible.

The Me 262 A-2/U2 prototype, V11, (Wnr. 110555, coded V555) had a bomb aiming position in its nose with a good view down, but that's a rather different beast.

Cheers

Steve

 

[Capt. Vick]

I agree Steve, especially since the cockpit tub was pressurized. Also wasn't the main gear wells directly under that? Anyway in the book "The Messerschmitt Me 262: A Guide to the Luftwaffe's First Jet Fighter" by Richard A. Franks it states under Me 262A-1a/U3 production listing:

"A window was cut in the floor of the cockpit to allow the pilot to sight his cameras on the ground below"

 

[Airframes]

Sounds like another Franksism !

 

[Capt. Vick]

Perhaps

 

[stona]

Perhaps

I'm struggling to think where it could have gone to afford anything but a nice view of the wheels (like a Hawker Hurricane, which did have a couple of cut outs to allow the pilot to see the undercarriage retracted).
I can't rule it out as I haven't found conclusive evidence for or against
Cheers
Steve

 

[Capt. Vick]

Steve, like I said, I agree with you. However, shouldn't this be easy to confirm? Isn't one of the 262 on display in some museum a recon bird, with it's camera nose replaced with a fighter nose? I seem to remember it might have been owned by Howard Huges.

 

[Snautzer01]

1. 1. USA 1 - Messerschmitt Me262A - W.Nr.500443 - coded "Yellow 5" of unknown unit - not taken up by the US, shipped to the UK and then on to South Africa.
   2. USA 2 - Messerschmitt Me262B-1a/U1 - W.Nr.110306 - coded "Red 6" of IV./NJG11 - also allocated 999 in the Watson Whizzer series. Shipped to the US and allocated FE-610
   3. USA 3 - Messerschmitt Me262B-1b - W.Nr.110165 - unknown code and unit - shipped to the US and allocated BuAer.No.121441
   4. USA 4 - Messerschmitt Me262B-1/U1 - W.Nr.110635 - coded "Red 10" of IV./NJG11 - not handed over to Col.Watson
   5. USA 5 - Arado Ar234B - W.Nr.140489 - unknown code and unit - allocated either 202 or 303 and shipped to the US
   6. USA 6 - Arado Ar234B - W.Nr.unknown - unknown code and unit - no further details
   7. USA 7 - Arado Ar234B - W.Nr.unknown - unknown code and unit - no further details
   8. USA 8 - Heinkel He219A-0 - W.Nr.210903 - factory coded SP+CR - shipped to the US and allocated FE-612
   9. USA 9 - Heinkel He219A-2 - W.Nr.290060 - factory coded CS+QG - shipped to the US and allocated FE-613
   10. USA 10 - Heinkel He219A - W.Nr.290202 - unknown code - shipped to the US and allocated FE-614. In storage at NASM Silver Hill
   11. USA 11 - Focke-Wulf Ta152H-0 - W.Nr.150003 - shipped to the US and allocated FE-112. In storage at NASM Silver Hill
   12. USA 12 - Focke-Wulf Fw190D-9 - W.Nr.unknown - shipped to the US and allocated either FE-119 or FE-120
   13. USA 13 - Focke-Wulf Fw190D-9 - W.Nr.401392 - coded "Black 5" of JG26 - shipped to the US and allocated FE-121
   14. USA 14 - Focke-Wulf Fw190D-13 - W.Nr.836017 - coded "Yellow 10" of JG26 - shipped to the US and allocated FE-118. On static display at Fighter Museum, Arizona
   15. USA 15 - Focke-Wulf Fw190D-9 - W.Nr.unknown - shipped to the US and allocated either FE-120 or FE-119
   16. USA 16, USA 17, USA 18, USA 19 - possible allocation to Me410's
   17. USA 20 - untraced
   18. USA 21 - Junkers Ju88G-6 - W.Nr.unknown - shipped to the US and allocated FE-611
   19. USA 022 - Junkers Ju290A-4 - W.Nr.110196 - factory coded PI+PS - shipped to the US and allocated FE-3400
   20. USA 23 to USA 39 - untraced
   21. USA 40 - Arado Ar234B-2 - W.Nr.140311 - unknown code of II./KG76 - allocated Watson Whizzer No.404 and later allocated FE-1011
   22. USA 41 to USA 49 - untraced
   23. USA 50 - Arado Ar234B-2 - W.Nr.140312 - unknown code of II./KG76 - shipped to the US and allocated FE-1010
   [source: "War Prizes" by Phil Butler, Midland 1994]
   
2. Post 118-120 source LEMB

 

[Snautzer01]

Watson Whizzer Data Matrix

Key:
A - Whizzers number
B - Type
C - WNr
D - 54th ADS name
E - Whizzers name
F - Reaper number
G - US Serial No

A - B - C - D - E - F - G

000 - Me262A-1a/U4 - 170083 - Wilma Jeane - Happy Hunter II - n/a - n/a
111 - Me262A-1a - ? - Beverly Anne - Screamin' Meemie - 20 - 121442
222 - Me262A-1a/U3 - ? - Marge - Lady Jess IV - n/a - 121443
333 - Me262A-1a - ? - Pauline - Deelovely - n/a - 121444
444 - Me262A-1a/U3 - ? - Connie the Sharp Article - Pick II - 19 - FE-4012
555 - Me262B-1a - 110639 - Vera - Willie - n/a - 121448
666 - Me262A-1a/U3 - 500098 - Joanne - Cookie VII - n/a - FE-4011
777 - Me262A-1a - ? - Doris - Jabo Bait - 14 - FE-110
888 - Me262A-1a - 500491 - Dennis - Ginny H - 29 - FE-111
999 - Me262B-1a/U1 - 110306 - USA 2 - Ole' Fruit Cake - n/a - FE-610
101 - Me262B-1a - 110165 - USA 3 - What Was It? - 121441
202 - Ar234B - ? - n/a - Jane I - 11 - 121445
303 - Ar234B - ? - n/a - Snafu I - 13 - 121446
404 - Ar234B - 140311 - USA 40 - n/a - 28 - FE-1011
505 - Ar234B - 140312 - USA 50 - n/a - 27 - FE-1010

 

[Snautzer01]

Post-war US Navy Trials numbers allocated to Luftwaffe types

1. 121441 - Messerschmitt Me262B-1b - W.Nr.110165 - possible Watson Whizzer 101. Noted scrapped November 1946
2. 121442 - Messerschmitt Me262A-1a - W.Nr.unknown - previous Watson Whizzer 111 and test flown a number of time. On static display at USAF Museum, Ohio
3. 121443 - Messerschmitt Me262A - W.Nr.unknown - previous Watson Whizzer 222 but crashed on first flight and stricken off
4. 121444 - Messerschmitt Me262A - W.Nr.unknown - previous Watson Whizzer 333. Scrapped circa 1946/47
5. 121445 - Arado Ar234B - W.Nr.unknown - previous Watson Whizzer 202. Not test flown due to lack of spares and scrapped circa 1946/47
6. 121446 - Arado Ar234B - W.Nr.unknown - previous Watson Whizzer 303. Not test flown due to lack of spares and scrapped circa 1946/47
7. 121447 - Dornier Do335A-02 - W.Nr.240102 - coded VG+PH - in storage at NASM Silver Hill
8. 121448 - Messerschmitt Me262B - W.Nr.110639 - previous Watson Whizzer 555. On static display at NAS Willow Grove