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FLYBOYJ,
I never doubted that the F-22 can pull 9 G's, nearly every fighter can do that, its holding those G's which is the problem. Also seeing that the F-22 doesn't have the luxury of the Libelle suit I don't even see how any pilot could claim that F-22 can hold 9 G's, and none have so far.
Keep moving them goal posts Soren. Keep ignoring the links we have been posting too.
The Typhoon II still cannot out manuver the F-22.
Lemme know when the Typhoon II can do a Herbst maneuver, Pugachev's Cobra or the Kulbit as well as having control of roll at 60 degree AOA's.
Oh now we're going to move to the suit? The USAF evaluated the Libelle in 2000 at Edwards and may eventually use it as well. Here's some other info...FLYBOYJ,
I never doubted that the F-22 can pull 9 G's, nearly every fighter can do that, its holding those G's which is the problem. Also seeing that the F-22 doesn't have the luxury of the Libelle suit I don't even see how any pilot could claim that F-22 can hold 9 G's, and none have so far.
The Typhoon II still cannot out manuver the F-22.
Lemme know when the Typhoon II can do a Herbst maneuver, Pugachev's Cobra or the Kulbit as well as having control of roll at 60 degree AOA's.
Sorry, have to agree with Soren here. If you want to show the Raptor is better then the EF, you'll have to compare weapon systems, avionics etc. Stealth is IMO the main advantage for the Raptor over the EF. Those manoeuvres can be useful in very distinct occasions, but isn't an overall advantage in today's areal warfare.
Those maneuvers are low speed maneuvers for crying out loud! The dogfight (If there's ever going to be one) isn't going to be at low speed!
FLYBOYJ,
I never doubted that the F-22 can pull 9 G's, nearly every fighter can do that, its holding those G's which is the problem. Also seeing that the F-22 doesn't have the luxury of the Libelle suit I don't even see how any pilot could claim that F-22 can hold 9 G's, and none have so far.
This is getting old.... And repetitive....
When the TiffyII and the Raptor go head to head at Red Flag, the truth shall set us all free....
My money is on the Raptor, in every catagory...
Actually the later versions equipped with the FBW are able to perform the cobraThe MiG-29 CANNOT do the Pugachev's Cobra unless it starts at a 30 degree entry angle.
I didn't get any ideas buddy, the EF Typhoon has the best most sophisticated pilots interface in the world
While the Service may be quiet about some of the results, the pilots always blurt out tasty quotes.... There will be some coming that will solidify the Raptor as the premier fighter in the skies, unquestioned...Matt said:Were it so, Les. Like the Indians with Su-27s, the intent of the exercises is not to humiliate nor aire shortcomings in technology or training. Any US sponsored exercises with allies will be PC. And rightly so. Keep the enemy thinking I say.
Oh now we're going to move to the suit? The USAF evaluated the Libelle in 2000 at Edwards and may eventually use it as well. Here's some other info...
http://www.acc.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-070413-039.wmv
Code One Magazine Fourth Quarter 2004: The Well-Dressed Raptor Pilot
For the most part the USAF is not advertising information about the suit to be used on the F-22
ATAGS
Next Merrell dons the CSU-23/P Advanced Technology Anti-G Suit, or ATAGS. Like the Combat Edge vest, ATAGS (currently only worn by F/A-22 pilots) provides increased protection from the effects of prolonged high-g environments. As a stand-alone garment, ATAGS provides a sixty percent increase in aircrew endurance. Combined with Combat Edge, it increases aircrew endurance by 350 percent over the current g-suit.
From what I understand the Libelle (or something similar) has been used by several European countries for a few years now and although they seem state of the art I see no real advantage over what is being used in the F-22 if we're now going from comparing the aircraft to support equipment. If the USAF decided to adoubt the Libelle there goes the "sustained 9g argument," but then again what good is the g suit going to be when you're shot down by something you can't see?
Only problem is that those tests are very suspect as they didn't achieve the same results as other European users.
You can read it here on Autoflug's own site: Autoflug Libelle GmbH
I highly suggest reading it all.
Providing the EF pilot could get close enough to even attept to dogfight an F-22....In short: The Libelle is a very big advantage for the EF pilot over the F-22 pilot.
In short: The Libelle is a very big advantage for the EF pilot over the F-22 pilot.
Its suspect because it was done by Americans. I've not been around here long, but I've been around long enough to know Soren is very anti-American biased.