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The Japanese shot down 538, by your numbers. Did that many Corsair pilots die during landings? That is the claim.
The answer is in Shortround's post. Nearly 1000 operational losses not due to combat. Further breakdown of numbers is required for absolute proof but it definitely is possible.

Shortround is one of the best posters on this forum always informative without bias..
 

Oh, I've got tons of respect for SR6, I sure wasn't meaning to pull his short hairs and I'm sorry to all if that's how I came off. I just want to see facts on Pat's claim, because 550 dead pilots would surely have shown up in the records and the history books, no?
 
TO put the Corsair losses into perspective, at least some what.
Not all combat aircraft losses resulted in a dead pilot.
Not all non combat aircraft losses resulted in a dead pilot.

as stated above by Special Ed.

Wiki (better figures welcome) says the F6F was as follows.

During the course of World War II, 2,462 F6F Hellcats were lost to all causes
– 270 in aerial combat,
553 to antiaircraft ground and shipboard fire,
and 341 due to operational causes.
1,298 were destroyed in training and ferry operations, normally outside of the combat zones.

Note the somewhat different wording or categories.

There may be a number of fighters that suffered more from crashes than the enemy "shot down" (air to air or both air to air and AA fire?)

For a really dismal record we can look to the British Meteor 890 crashes (143 in one year) with 450 pilots killed. And that is out of just under 4,000 built.

Of course we have either no records or poor records of Soviet aircraft (either WW II or post war) or some Axis aircraft.
 
Sorry Pat, that's just not true.

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Dana
Sorry mate but it is, the first operational Corsair squadron was delayed getting into service because it was a scratch squadron made up of the pilots who survived training out of the two that started, it was given the nickname ensign killer because it killed so many of it's own pilots.
 

The Marines stopped using them on carriers because of the loss rate, the RAF cut the wings down and devised new landing procedures to try and address the problem, zero visibility over the nose, it's tendency to float on landing, viscous stall and it's ability to rotate around it's own propeller all caused the high crash rate.
How the Navy Tamed the "Killer Corsair" | History | Air & Space Magazine a brief article on the problem, Winkle Brown didn't have many nice things about it either, something along the lines of it had a few good points, a couple of average ones and a heap of really bad ones.
 
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I know it had a difficult reputation. I was asking after specific numbers showing more pilots killed in landing accidents than by Japanese, as you'd stated.
 
I know it had a difficult reputation. I was asking after specific numbers showing more killed in landing accidents than shot down by Japanese, as you'd stated.

Well it killed so many it got the nickname ensign killer and the Marines stopped using it on carriers even though it was designed as a carrier aircraft, what more evidence do you want?.
 
Specific numbers, as I've asked now three times.

I'm left to assume there are none forthcoming.

I'll let the evidence speak for itself, if a plane is killing enough of it's own pilots during wartime that it is removed from service you know the number was high. The thread is about naval fighters, I voted for the Hellcat, the fighter that replaced the F4U, enough said. As for exact numbers, sorry I'm not doing all that research to prove a point the available evidence already does.
 

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