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I don't do that - Italians did it.True but that is problem when you take a 1920s engine and put a reduction gear on the front and supercharger on the back and keep all the old stuff inbetween.
Instead of 3rd rate engines, like whatever I-F made in the 1930s, plus the Fiat A.74.OK 2nd rate engine
Be it as it might, seems like 900-1000 HP was extracted from the L.121 and 122.You have a 32.65 liter engine turning at 2350rpm (at best?) and the DB 601 is 33.9 and turning 2400rpm and 2500rpm for take-off.
M-105 engine was 35.1 liters at 2700rpm. You have the smallest displacement and the least rpm. You need really good breathing and/or a lot boost. Except that your gas is not very good.
The 4 valve heads they used may have been hot stuff in 1924 but in the 1930s?
Mixture goes just about all the way through the heads and then turns and goes down passages on the inside of the V to reach the cylinders. Not sure if this cools the mixture or heats it?
But passage size may be restricted and sharp bends do not help. Good flow is not there.
Italians, as well as other people, were making diesel engines in thousands. These don't work without fuel pumps and distribution to the cylinders. Compared with the cost of the aircraft, cost of the fuel injection is a rounding error. Especially when the fuel saved is calculated in, as well as the 'price' of the pilot.Using expensive German style fuel injection and refined superchargers is sort of like using a lot of small Band-aids on an arterial bleed.
Yes and no, sometimes race engines can lead to service engines and sometime not.Closest thing Italy had to a proper indigenous tier 1 engine was the 16-cylinder FIAT AS.8 which was rated for 2,250 hp at 3,200 rpm
Which brings us to this. I would hope that a race engine when running on 87 octane was "decently reliable" as it is making a lot less power than when running on racing fuel. The thing should have been 99.9% reliable operating at about 60% of it's racing powerthe AS.8 actually seemed decently reliable even on 87 octane as it successfully completed its 50-hour bench tests.
There is no reason (or very little) to use a two stage supercharger when all you have is 87 octane fuel. The more you compress the air in the supercharger the hotter it gets and all "octane" tells you is about at what point the fuel/air mixture will auto ignite. With 100 or 100/130 you can really compress the air and not have it auto-ignite (detonate) and wreck the engine. Inter-coolers help because they lower the temperature of the air and allow for more boost to be used before you hit the limit. Water injection also helps.However it is behind the bend with only a single-stage supercharger fitted.
Like the Compagnie Auto-Avio-Sahariane?As we've seen in this thread, Italy definitely faced a huge uphill struggle in quality and quantity of equipment as well as fuel when going up against the Allies. Is there some kind of asymmetric response the Italians could have done rather than trying to match Allied capabilities 1:1?
An "Italian SAS/LRDG" operating in the deserts of NA, blowing up planes on the ground?
Well, they did have Decima MAS.As we've seen in this thread, Italy definitely faced a huge uphill struggle in quality and quantity of equipment as well as fuel when going up against the Allies. Is there some kind of asymmetric response the Italians could have done rather than trying to match Allied capabilities 1:1?
An "Italian SAS/LRDG" operating in the deserts of NA, blowing up planes on the ground?
As we've seen in this thread, Italy definitely faced a huge uphill struggle in quality and quantity of equipment as well as fuel when going up against the Allies. Is there some kind of asymmetric response the Italians could have done rather than trying to match Allied capabilities 1:1?
An "Italian SAS/LRDG" operating in the deserts of NA, blowing up planes on the ground?
Honestly, and excuse my language, but the main thing that needed to happen was Mussolini removing the stick up his ass and realizing that Italy needed to be willing to get non-fascist international help and try new ideas.Well, they did have Decima MAS.
Interestingly, such radical anti-communism did not prevent Mussolini from selling weapons and technology to the communists (i.e., the Soviets) for nearly a decade. Just business...Second, he needed to stop viewing advanced technology like radar as "communist ideas"...
This is a fair point. I will say that the radar also was seen as "too expensive".Interestingly, such radical anti-communism did not prevent Mussolini from selling weapons and technology to the communists (i.e., the Soviets) for nearly a decade. Just business...
And at one time a paid agent of the British crown handled by Liberal Minister for Transport Hore-Belisha MP.Well, as far as I'm concerned, communists (extreme left) and fascists (extreme right) meet at the bottom of the circle. Maybe not in terms of rhetoric, but certainly in terms of corruption and incompetence of the government and violence against its own population. Besides, didn't Mussolini enter politics as a candidate for the Italian Communist Party?
It wasn't Leslie Hore-Belisha but Samuel Hoare ( the future appeaser and Foreign Secretary etc) who paid Mussolini. Hoare was working for MI6 during WWIAnd at one time a paid agent of the British crown handled by Liberal Minister for Transport Hore-Belisha MP.
It was when Mussolini was running a newspaper and Britain feared Italy might drop out of the Great War so paid Mussolini to keep up a pro-war stance in its writings.
Yeah that's opportunism for you. He was far-left at first when it was convenient, but then the moment it was realized that communism might not work in Italy he switched and invented fascism based on the vittoria mutilata. His inherent opportunism and cronyism is why things like the Fiat-Ansaldo monopoly on tanks existed, and why very big things like trying to jump at France when Italy was three years away from being ready for WWII happened.And at one time a paid agent of the British crown handled by Liberal Minister for Transport Hore-Belisha MP.
It was when Mussolini was running a newspaper and Britain feared Italy might drop out of the Great War so paid Mussolini to keep up a pro-war stance in its writings.
My error. Apologies. Indeed Sir Samuel Hoare was his MI5 handler.It wasn't Leslie Hore-Belisha but Samuel Hoare ( the future appeaser and Foreign Secretary etc) who paid Mussolini. Hoare was working for MI6 during WWI
HiLike some other planes of it's era (mid 30s) the wing was metal covered from the leading edge to the main spar (?) and fabric covered from the main spar aft.
Yes a new version could change that. Hurricane went from all fabric covered with to all metal covered (interior structure also changed?)
Italians wanted to change. But the two replacements pretty much failed, the Breda Ba 88 spectacularly which lead to the forced use of the Ba 65. Question is if was worth any further development?
Second part of the year for production Hurricanes.Hi
Stressed skin (metal covered) wings started to replace the earlier fabric covered wings on the Hurricane on the production line during the first part of 1939.