Fw-190

[cheddar cheese]

Should the Focke-Wulf have been made Germany's main frontline fighter instead of the Messerschmitt Bf-109?

 

[Erich]

simple answer.......... No, the a/c had a better weapons perfomrance but did not have the altitude advantage over Allied a/c types until later in the war with a totally different varinat; the Ta 152 and even then this a/c was not flown at it's optimum altitude that it was created for, by mid altitude agasint RAF and Soviet types

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[wmaxt]

simple answer.......... No, the a/c had a better weapons perfomrance but did not have the altitude advantage over Allied a/c types until later in the war with a totally different varinat; the Ta 152 and even then this a/c was not flown at it's optimum altitude that it was created for, by mid altitude agasint RAF and Soviet types

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You have a valid point, however Adolf Galland, who prefered the 109 to fly, advocated the production of the 262 and 190 exclusivly in early '44 when the bombing campain was at it's peak.

 

[Erich]

that is correct as he saw the Fw 190 as the better of the two as a bomber killer. Galland flew both types of German a/c during the war as the 262 in his own unit JV 44

but the Fw 190A-8 in the bomber killer role needed protection and it could not adequately defend itself in staffeln strength let alone gruppe strength so this is why I./JG 300 under Gerhard Stamps leadership tried to come to the rescue, but alas it did not seem to deter the US efforts with the P-51D

 

[GermansRGeniuses]

Nein!


The Fw-190 was a workhorse, the Bf-109 was a thoroughbred!

 

[lesofprimus]

I say the Fw-190, because if it was prioritized OVER the Bf-109, then the advancements that Tank wanted to accomplish would have happened that much sooner.... (High Altitude Performance ect ect..)

 

[cheddar cheese]

Thankyou...someone who agrees with me at last.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

the way i see it is that only one aircraft could have saved germany by day (Erich i dunno if you'll agree with me here, i doubt it, but it you do you know more about it than me so i shall take heed of your opinion), and that was the Fw-190, the As to take on the bombers, the Ds to give them cover......................

 

[Erich]

that was the idea in winter and spring of 1945 although later the Doras had to take on the US heavy bombers. Earlier for JG 301 in the fall of 44 it was A-9's protecting the A-8/R2's of III./Jg 301 taking on the bombers and then the A-9's would attack the bombers if they still were not infighting with P-51's.

a special occurance happened within Jg 301 in October of 44 and it was decided that 2 of the staffels of I. and II. gruppes were light staffels taking on the P-51's while the other 2 staffels in each gruppe would attck bombers along with all of III. gruppe..............interesting I say

 

[Erich]

a skin of my cosuins white 2, Fw 190A-9, KIA on 26 November 44 providing high cover for III./JG 301 and then attacking B-24's where he ws shot down enroute by P-51's.

 

[plan_D]

If the -190 would have been made frontline fighter, it wouldn't have stopped anything. In my opinion it wouldn't have even stalled the defeat of Germanys air power.
The only thing that could have stopped the bombing would have been the -262 because it had obvious advantages in speed over everything Allied. That came too late, and the -190 wasn't good enough to save Germany.

 

[lesofprimus]

I dont think this is a question on whether or not the -190 could have won the war......

 

[plan_D]

I'm saying that to point out that making the -190 the frontline wouldn't have changed anything. Really, it was a good fighter but it was an even better bomber destroyer. 109s can hold down the escorts, while the 190s deal with the bombers. When they're done, they can still fight.

I think the -190 was an amazing plane, one of my favourites from WW2 but it'd have been pointless putting it as the main fighter. Especially since you have to take into account the Russian theatre....UNLESS...send all the 109s to Russia and 190s do West Europe...right that's me convinced...it should have been made the front fighter in West Europe...

 

[Adolf Galland]

i think that the the way 2 stop the allied bombers is that there should be heavy fighter unites that act as the hurricanes in the battle of britian because of their poor performance but powerful fire power and have something like the 109 to escort the heavy fighter and deal w/ the p-51s or fighter escorts

 

[Erich]

that is exactly the way it was from July 44 on to the end of 1944 beofre much of the Reich defnce units were pulled to the Ost Front for the final battles of Berlin.

here is a schematic of the typcial Sturmgruppen attack from the rear using heavy SturmFw's and Bf 109G-6's for the high cover (Hohenjager) // Gefechtsverband

Erich ~

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

so you agree with my theory erich??

 

[Erich]

read my above posting. yes the Dora were suppose to provide high cover to the ehavier equipped A-8's and A-9's but it never seemed to work out just the right way; the P-51's would overwhlem the Luftwaffe defence

 

[GermansRGeniuses]

i think that the the way 2 stop the allied bombers is that there should be heavy fighter unites that act as the hurricanes in the battle of britian because of their poor performance but powerful fire power and have something like the 109 to escort the heavy fighter and deal w/ the p-51s or fighter escorts

The Hurricane didn't have poor performance, it was the hero of the BoB, the Spitfire was the posterchild!


The Spitfire was truly better, but there wasn't enough of them - the Hurricane was usually assigned to purely bomber hunting when Spits were there to cover them, or else they had a twin role of fighter and bomber interceptor!

 

[lesofprimus]

Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt the Spitfire account for almost as many planes downed as the Hurricane????

 

[GermansRGeniuses]

Try 1/3 of the Hurricane's kills...


Something like that, anyway.