FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
It isn't a matter of if you could store an Fw190 on a carrier, it would be a matter of how many on what type of carrier. Elevator size would come into play if the aircraft did not have folding wings.
FW 190A vs Hellcat and Corsair
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Of course, I'm talking about a folded wing version of the FW190!
If you have 2 carriers of the same size (perhaps 2 carriers of the same class) and one carrier can carry 40 Fighters(hellcat or corsair), the other one perhaps only 30-35 (FW190)...
and I think, there is not so much difference between a Corsair, Hellcat and a naval version of a FW190...
Which carrier has little bit better chances to survive?
If you have 2 carriers of the same size (perhaps 2 carriers of the same class) and one carrier can carry 40 Fighters(hellcat or corsair), the other one perhaps only 30-35 (FW190)...
and I think, there is not so much difference between a Corsair, Hellcat and a naval version of a FW190...
Which carrier has little bit better chances to survive?
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
syscom3
Pacific Historian
Which ship had the superior compartmentation, which ship had the better AAA, which ship had the best CIC, which ship had the best crew to seemlessly integrate air ops with the ship.......
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If you have 2 carriers of the same size (perhaps 2 carriers of the same class)
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Let say...
Two carriers of the Essex class?
I originally meant 2 of the SAME carriers with "2 carriers of the same class"!
We are talking about the best aircraft, not about the best carrier!
If you have 2 carriers of the same size (perhaps 2 carriers of the same class)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Let say...
Two carriers of the Essex class?
I originally meant 2 of the SAME carriers with "2 carriers of the same class"!
We are talking about the best aircraft, not about the best carrier!
syscom3
Pacific Historian
>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you have 2 carriers of the same size (perhaps 2 carriers of the same class)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Let say...
Two carriers of the Essex class?
I originally meant 2 of the SAME carriers with "2 carriers of the same class"!
We are talking about the best aircraft, not about the best carrier!
Air ops are integral to a carrier. You have to look at all sorts of things to establish who would likely come out on top.
If your radar picks up your opponant at a long range and the CIC gets you the correct vectors, and your deck crew gets you airborne quickly....
renrich
Chief Master Sergeant
More than half the operations the Hellcats and Corsairs were involved with the FW could not even get into the fight. Not enough range.
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DonL
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@ renrich
No FW 190 was ever involved in a fight with a Hellcat or Corsair!
No FW 190 was ever involved in a fight with a Hellcat or Corsair!
renrich
Chief Master Sergeant
I believe that there were encounters between FAA Hellcats and FWs but I can't find my reference on that yet. As far as range is concerned, FW190D9-520 miles, F6F5-1300 miles. It was essential for an effective ship board fighter to have good range in WW2. Among other things, it does not do to be low on gas when searching for a moving airfield.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
And its vitally important to know your CAP can be on station for some time while other deck activities are occuring.
That is why your not an engineer designing aircraft landing gear!
All the best,
Crumpp
Fair enough M8. But we are talking about carrier deck landings.
Anyway show me a successful carrier fighter with the same configuration and I'll shut up.
renrich
Chief Master Sergeant
Yes and aside from CAP duty, a good part of carrier duty the VFs had was escorting strike groups. No european single engined fighters were designed for use as escort fighters.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
I think it would be fair to say that a redesigned -190 would have added quite a bit of weight, which would have impaired some of its flight characteristics that had made it outstanding.
I'd say the F4U would have the advantage in most low and mid level situations, witht he F6F and -190 being pretty much equal in the same regime.
The -190 would have the advantage in most high altitude elements.
I'd say the F4U would have the advantage in most low and mid level situations, witht he F6F and -190 being pretty much equal in the same regime.
The -190 would have the advantage in most high altitude elements.
renrich
Chief Master Sergeant
FW190A8, most numerous FW variant-Vmax-402mph@20670 ft, service ceiling-33800 ft. F4U1D-Vmax-425mph@20000ft, service ceiling 37000 ft. Doesn't look as if FW would be superior at high altitude.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Think he's talkin about the Dora not Anton...
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DonL
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@ syscom
thank you for being fair!
Noting else I want to discuss, that a navalized FW 190A could match with a Hellcat and a F4U-1.
I think the FW 190A was inferior in range but was superior as a multirole plane on a carrier, because you can take it as a torpedo bomber (the LW had test the FW 190A as a torpedo bomber 1942) and a fighter!
And the FW 190A had problems above 6000-6500meters high altitudes fights, but I think the altitudes on a carrier fight aren't at that high altitudes!
thank you for being fair!
Noting else I want to discuss, that a navalized FW 190A could match with a Hellcat and a F4U-1.
I think the FW 190A was inferior in range but was superior as a multirole plane on a carrier, because you can take it as a torpedo bomber (the LW had test the FW 190A as a torpedo bomber 1942) and a fighter!
And the FW 190A had problems above 6000-6500meters high altitudes fights, but I think the altitudes on a carrier fight aren't at that high altitudes!
syscom3
Pacific Historian
I seriously doubt that a navalized -190 had the capability to take off from a carrier with a torpedo. In fact, I dont think a single manned fighter carrying a torpedo evenf rom shore would be of much use in an attack on the high sea's. You would need a radio operator to help with navigation and attack coordination.
I think youre also underestimating the impact of a short endurance time for a carrier fighter. An unescorted strike could be catastrophic, as well as carrier deck ops constantly interupted by the need to bring down your CAP, refuel and get them back up.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
And the Bearcat had short legs...
