the most funny is that "you all love obama"
If the comment was not directed to you, or you did not fit the description, then you should have ignored it and moved on, instead of looking like a prick.
Georgia and Russia at war.
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If the comment was not directed to you, or you did not fit the description, then you should have ignored it and moved on, instead of looking like a prick.
JugBR
Staff Sergeant
how do i know huh ? you say "you all love obama"...
all gore, all pacino ?
Don't take everything so seriously then...
Wow, just got a look at the damaged Frogfoots! That really is one tough plane. I'm with Matt308; it's hard to understand how a running turbine could have been that shredded without not just taking the other engine out, but the entire plane. There should have been pieces of blades spraying everywhere, like shrapnel. What are the blades made out of? Titanium? Those pictures kind of remind me of damaged B-17 photos from WWII - you wonder how the planes made it back.
Venganza
Venganza
Ramirezzz
Senior Airman
absolutely right Matt, it was a Georgian Igla MANPAD.
Ramirezzz
Senior Airman
BTW guys have you noticed a beer bottle in the exaust section in the first pic? THAT is what probably kept the airframe alive! 
In my opinion, he is no more communist then, Augusto Pinochet or South Korean dictator Chun Doo-Hwan.
In fact, it's maybe more capitalism in Russia these days then in Canada. Income tax in Russia is 13% and it's not progressive. Thousands of expats from the West and millions from ex-soviet states are coming to Russia every year with only one reason - to make money. If Putin was a bloody communist that wouldn be possible.
As for NATO - Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republic, Georgia - this problem didnt exist 10 years ago and it wasnt Russia who created tension with these countries.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
BTW guys have you noticed a beer bottle in the exaust section in the first pic? THAT is what probably kept the airframe alive!
Well I'll be damned.
Probably the same maintenance guy that said he'll "fix it first thing tomorrow morning". Not exactly western maintenance standards. Ask FlyboyJ what the AF would do if they found the maintenance crew drinking on the job.Ramirezzz
Senior Airman
Well I'll be damned.
well Matt, that's the way it sometimes goes there .
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Ramirezzz
Senior Airman
certainly you are! This is an internet forum and finally you are a moderator here.
I still can't get your point Adler or I can't express myself clear enough anymore. Probably my poor English is to blame.
Once again - what does make him a commie according to your opinion Adler? Which foreign or domestic issues exactly?
you see , we're just interpreting the same facts from the different positions. You see it as a reaction to an inevitable agressive behavior of Russia in the future, we see at as an agressive act towards Russia itself. There's no way we can convince each other of the contrary, so let's leave it.
Oh please that would take helluva time since every single statement of Mr. McCain on Russia reminds me of the good ol' times of the Cold War.
Shall I post them all?
Believe it or not, we were actually forbidden from flying in Russian aircraft in Kosovo because of shotty Maintenance and Russian flight crews drinking while on duty.
We would do exchange programs and fly with other countries in their aircraft. We flew in Germany CH-53s and UH-1Ds, Swiss Super Pumas, Italian MD 500s and British Gazelles. We wanted to do an exchange with the Russians in there Hinds and Hips. The Russians were all for it but we did not recieve permission from our own command for those reasons stated above.
Kind of a shame, I think it would have been neat, but better safe than sorry.
Agreed
Ramierezzz said:Oh please that would take helluva time since every single statement of Mr. McCain on Russia reminds me of the good ol' times of the Cold War.
Of course not, I already said that I did not actually expect you to do so. For the same reasons you talk of McCain, is why I do not like Putin. He is no different in my opinion, just on the other side.
Ramirezzz
Senior Airman
as far as for flight crews I can't remember any accident in the VVS both Soviet and Russian in its postwar history which happend because of a drunk flight crew. Certainly now and then even among the pilots there have been some cases of drinking while on duty , but it's not THAT dramatically as your command in Kosovo tried to present..
Kind of a shame indeed.
I never said they lost an aircraft in Kosovo due to drinking on duty. I said they were drinking while on duty.
We were even offered beer by Russian mechanics working on a Hind in Pristina. Do you know what the real shame was? They were drinking American Budweiser that they got in the American MWR in Pristina!
That is a real shame!I think the main issue as it was explained to me, was because of the maintenance that was being done and the lack of parts available.
mkloby
Senior Master Sergeant
I tend to think that Mr Putin is not communist. Traditionally, communists believed that it was not possible to acheive socialism by working within the socio-economic confines already firmly in place under capitalism, and sought to overthrow them - force was a top method. This, he is not. I believe he leans more toward the free market (maybe not as much as I'd like to see), but is also fearful of giving too much freedom to the market. An example of this, as I see it, is how the oil/gas industry was nationalized to a large extent. As I have seen written, he's taking a Russian and not a Western approach to moving toward market based economy.
I can actually agree with that. I just do not trust the guy and I guess I see him as a commie in a figurative sense.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
Putin is a closet authoritarian.
An authoritarian government accepts no limitation on the amount or kind of coercion it may use to achieve its ends. It can execute exile or place people in the labor of prison camps without any restraint. Therefore authoritarian power is unlimited in scope. It is all embracing. The authoritarian government asserts the right to control and regiment every phase of life.
Think of authoritarians as "super-communists".
An authoritarian government accepts no limitation on the amount or kind of coercion it may use to achieve its ends. It can execute exile or place people in the labor of prison camps without any restraint. Therefore authoritarian power is unlimited in scope. It is all embracing. The authoritarian government asserts the right to control and regiment every phase of life.
Think of authoritarians as "super-communists".
Putin is a closet authoritarian.
An authoritarian government accepts no limitation on the amount or kind of coercion it may use to achieve its ends. It can execute exile or place people in the labor of prison camps without any restraint. Therefore authoritarian power is unlimited in scope. It is all embracing. The authoritarian government asserts the right to control and regiment every phase of life.
Think of authoritarians as "super-communists".
Agreed!
