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In your extensive reading of US military history, which USA military service do you most doubt would defend the USA border or capital from attack when ordered to do so?The whole purpose of these 109E bomber raids was to draw the British into battle. As smart as the British were I doubt they took that bait very often.
I doubt very much that Expert actually read any BoB histories.In your extensive reading of US military history, which USA military service do you most doubt would defend the USA border or capital from attack when ordered to do so?
During October the RAF lost 53 pilots and claimed 212 destroyed. 115 probables 140 damaged The claims are obviously much higher than actual but it does seem that a lot "took the bait" quite often, so no more of your doubts eh?
Only a short time ago he was denying any high level raids took place or could take place, the very discussion made him cringe. His assertion that the only reason for the raids was to draw the RAF into battle is also the British into battle is also completely incorrect. If you read the link for October the LW were experimenting with many different methods and targets. Some individual Bf110 went at high level to the Midlands, two Do17s were shot down with RAF markings or trying to impersonate Blenheims (as it says). They used massed raids, small groups and streams. The objective was clearly to drop bombs, one individual bomb killed 13 people while two others hit hospitals so I take exception to the idea that stopping them was a "take the bait" option.I doubt very much that Expert actually read any BoB histories.
Keep this up. I still doubt much combat was at 30000'. Even if the 109E escort was at 30000' the first maneuver made would mean loss of altitude. At 30000' those BoB planes were just barely hanging on up there. And no bomb equipped 109E was near 30000'.Only a short time ago he was denying any high level raids took place or could take place, the very discussion made him cringe. His assertion that the only reason for the raids was to draw the RAF into battle is also the British into battle is also completely incorrect. If you read the link for October the LW were experimenting with many different methods and targets. Some individual Bf110 went at high level to the Midlands, two Do17s were shot down with RAF markings or trying to impersonate Blenheims (as it says). They used massed raids, small groups and streams. The objective was clearly to drop bombs, one individual bomb killed 13 people while two others hit hospitals so I take exception to the idea that stopping them was a "take the bait" option.
Keep this up. I still doubt much combat was at 30000'. Even if the 109E escort was at 30000' the first maneuver made would mean loss of altitude. At 30000' those BoB planes were just barely hanging on up there. And no bomb equipped 109E was near 30000'.
And why do you keep bringing up the P-39 when the first production was not until spring of 1941? Keep trolling, I'll always take the bait.
Why do you bring up anything, it is irrelevant what you think or doubt or even what you state as a fact because your facts are just your opinions. Actual facts you dismiss as "joe pilot's word". The discussion started when you claimed there was no difference in principle between operations on the east front and in Europe, which would mean a plane that was a success in the east could have been a success in the west if only those pesky British hadnt refused to pay. Which US service do you doubt would defend the USA when ordered? Do you only feel the need to air these doubts about the RAF?Keep this up. I still doubt much combat was at 30000'. Even if the 109E escort was at 30000' the first maneuver made would mean loss of altitude. At 30000' those BoB planes were just barely hanging on up there. And no bomb equipped 109E was near 30000'.
And why do you keep bringing up the P-39 when the first production was not until spring of 1941? Keep trolling, I'll always take the bait.
Traditional name for the English in FranceI gave you a like for "Perfidious Albion". Some 30 odd years ago a friend came up with a super villain named that.
Albion, the Perfidious.
'L'Angleterre, ah, la perfide Angleterre,que le rempart de ses mers rendoit inaccessible aux Romains, la foi du Sauveur y est abordée. | England, oh perfidious England, Shielded against the Romans by her ocean ramparts, Now receives the true faith. |
Attaquons dans ses eaux la perfide Albion. | Let us attack perfidious Albion in her waters. |
When I worked in France we used to joke about it avec les grenouilles.Oh, I know about that. My friend took gleeful joy in explaining it. Repeatedly.
I thought you were...There's an Edsel Expert?
Keep this up. I still doubt much combat was at 30000'. Even if the 109E escort was at 30000' the first maneuver made would mean loss of altitude. At 30000' those BoB planes were just barely hanging on up there. And no bomb equipped 109E was near 30000'.
Sadly, a fact lost to history.Yabut with how much tea aboard? The world wonders.
But the weight of the tailfins would have a negative effect on the C.o.G.... You'd get tailpipes dragging on the ground even at low throttle, let alone when you have the accelerator to the floor.Well the 1959 Edsel Corsair was a distinct improvement over the 1958 Edsel Corsair. You'll notice that the grill of the 1959 is of a lighter, cleaner design. By removing the nose armour, the Edsel Corsair had become competitive with the Chevrolet Corvette and the Ford Thunderbird.
Along with numerous other patently false assertions. Tailpipe dragging definitely CAN prevent attaining escape velocity!It's already been posted here that rearward c.o.g. doesn't affect performance.