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The Stuka had flame dampener exhaust? A night dive bomber? Sounds dangerous.The D-9 has Stab markings, so anyone know who the pilot is?
The Ju87 has flame damper exhaust.
As dive bombers???They were starting to be used at night with the D-3N variant, flame dampener exhaust included
You mean Convair didn't INVENT that idea for the B58 as they claimed? You've shattered my faith in the innovativeness of General Dynamics! Fie on them!The late model P-39 Y version had all armament and fuel in a pod under the fuselage
You will find most post war designs trace back to the P-39, even the B58 if you look at it in a very very very low light.You mean Convair didn't INVENT that idea for the B58 as they claimed? You've shattered my faith in the innovativeness of General Dynamics! Fie one them!
...and you've just staggered back from the pub.You will find most post war designs trace back to the P-39, even the B58 if you look at it in a very very very low light...
Not so much dive bombing........."Confronted with a hostile air environment, by mid-1943 the Stuka was limited mostly to night operations. The Ju-87 D-5 had no particular optimizations for flying at night, with pilots coming in low and slow and dropping antipersonnel bombs on groups of incautious Allied troops. The Luftwaffe learned this trick from the Soviets, who had become fond of using little Po-2 biplanes on such harassment raids earlier in the war."As dive bombers???
You, sir, have way too much time on your hands.Not so much dive bombing........."Confronted with a hostile air environment, by mid-1943 the Stuka was limited mostly to night operations. The Ju-87 D-5 had no particular optimizations for flying at night, with pilots coming in low and slow and dropping antipersonnel bombs on groups of incautious Allied troops. The Luftwaffe learned this trick from the Soviets, who had become fond of using little Po-2 biplanes on such harassment raids earlier in the war."
Ask a question, get an answer...typically, that's how it works.You, sir, have way too much time on your hands.
No misconceptions, the P-39s did not have the range of the Allison powered Mustangs.
It did not have the high altitude performances of the Merlin powered Mustangs. No version
of the P-39, or P-63 for that matter, was particularly suited for the European Theater of Operation.
I do not believe that even the P-39N/Q should be considered as in the same class as the Bf 109G
and later Fw 190As, at least not at altitudes above 6,000m.
My purpose with this posting is to attempt to show why the Russians who's air war was mainly
below 5,500m., were able to hold their own against the best of the Luftwaffe with Bell's second
hand little fighter.
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The P-39N information comes from aircraft 42-4400 testing in report dated 24 Nov. 1942.
The Bf 109G-2 information comes from the Russian tests. The Finnish tests produced
better climb rates but much lower speeds and I do not have a weight listing for the Finnish
Bf 109G-2. The FW 190A-5 information comes from the Augsburg test 19 June 1943.
Altitude / Speed
Meters / MPH: Bf 109G-2 / FW 190A-5 / P-39N
S.L........326 / 352 / 344
1,000...344 / 368 / 362
2,000...362 / 370 / 381
3,000...374 / 367 / 398
4,000...378 / 378 / 394
5,000...379 / 397 / 388
6,000...398 / 415 / 382
7,000...414 / 417 / 376
8,000...410 / 407 / 367
FTH: 414 @ 7,000 / 422.5 @ 6,375 / 398.5 @ 2,957
Altitude / Climb
Meters / FPM: Bf 109G-2 / FW 190A-5 / P-39N
S.L........3740 / 3265 / 3980
1,000...3975 / 3345 / 4145
2,000...4134 / 2855 / 4220
3,000...3720 / 2500 / 3940
4,000...3445 / 2480 / 3460
5,000...3208 / 2460 / 3060
6,000...3130 / 2155 / 2685
7,000...2598 / 1692 / 2230
8,000...2086 / 1250 / 1745
Time to 3,000m: 2.6 / 3.1 / 2.38 minutes.
Combat Ceiling (1,000 fpm): 10,080 / 8,595 / 9,700 meters.
Power Loading (lbs./hp.): 4.581 / 4,911 / 5..122
Wing Loading (lbs./sq. ft.): 38.46 / 42.54 / 34.15
Armament: Bf 109G-2: 1 x 20mm/150 rd.+ 2 x 7.9mm/500 rpg
FW 190A-5: 2 x 20mm/250 rpg + 2 x 20mm/60 rpg + 2 x 7.9mm/850 rpg
P-39N: 1 x 37mm/30 rd + 2 x 0.5cal/200 rpg + 4 x 0.3cal/300 rpg
Note: Russian P-39N and Qs mostly had 1 x 37mm/30 rds + 2 x 12.7mm/200 rpg
this improved climb and speed. The fact that their pilots push the engine just
slightly helped a bit also.
Internal fuel range: 340 mls / 497 mls / 360 mls w-87 gal. and 525 mls w-120 gallons.
As I said, the Airacobra was a slightly cheaper cut. But it was not the complete
lemon that a lot of authors and WW2 aircraft enthusiast believe it to be.
, Jeff