I love the P39. I was thinking of changing my forum nickname to "P39Expert". What do you guys think?
Groundhog Thread Part Deux - P-39 Fantasy and Fetish - The Never Ending Story (Mods take no responsibility for head against wall injuries sustained) (9 Viewers)
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Shortround6
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buffnut453
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GrauGeist
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Only if you mean this P-39
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Snautzer01
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O dear.... rookie mistake..
Its P-39... next you want to take the radio and heater out fot no balacing cost.
Couldn't find the dash on my phoneO dear.... rookie mistake..
Its P-39... next you want to take the radio and heater out fot no balacing cost.
Shouldn't I remove some weight out of the nose? Trying to learn to be an "expert" here.
Snautzer01
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A real expert does not care for a stinking Dash. Let alone that stupid balancing act.
You just fit right in here as expert. Dash or not.
You just fit right in here as expert. Dash or not.
GregP
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There are some 200 pages about it in this thread, grasshopper.
The road to wisdom is long and difficult, which is why I asked you to bring sandwiches and a change of clothing.
The road to wisdom is long and difficult, which is why I asked you to bring sandwiches and a change of clothing.
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I don't think people really have something against the P-39 (see
Snautzer01
, I could find the dash on my computer laptop ). The aircraft was an early ww2 fighter, that had it's good parts and it's flaws like all aircraft of that era to be honest.I think it's more the way it was discussed that turned this thread into a running meme. We have more of those, the "Color for a model I am building" is another famous one. They tend to run for years. We let them run as it's usually just some harmless banter and good fun.
buffnut453
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If my memory is correct, we had multiple threads either about the P-39 or which crept into P-39 territory where the resident "expert" stated the same things over and over again.
This thread was an attempt to capture all those discussions in one place rather than having them repeated ad nauseam across multiple threads. It was the repetitious arguments that led to the "groundhog" part of the thread title (as in the 1993 Bill Murray movie).
The key challenge seemed to be that the "expert" didn't understand some of the basics of aircraft design, nor that performance graphs for aircraft from different countries (or even different years) couldn't be directly compared due to differing test conditions (e.g. under what fuel and weapon load was the test conducted).
I like the P-39. It's quirky and quite advanced-looking for its vintage. That said, it had flaws which were essentially ignored by the "expert" while he drew incorrect conclusions because he misinterpreted data or misrepresented facts. For all that, he was always polite and courteous. I just wish he would have been more open to learning from other members rather than feeling the need to argue topics that he didn't really understand.
This thread was an attempt to capture all those discussions in one place rather than having them repeated ad nauseam across multiple threads. It was the repetitious arguments that led to the "groundhog" part of the thread title (as in the 1993 Bill Murray movie).
The key challenge seemed to be that the "expert" didn't understand some of the basics of aircraft design, nor that performance graphs for aircraft from different countries (or even different years) couldn't be directly compared due to differing test conditions (e.g. under what fuel and weapon load was the test conducted).
I like the P-39. It's quirky and quite advanced-looking for its vintage. That said, it had flaws which were essentially ignored by the "expert" while he drew incorrect conclusions because he misinterpreted data or misrepresented facts. For all that, he was always polite and courteous. I just wish he would have been more open to learning from other members rather than feeling the need to argue topics that he didn't really understand.
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GrauGeist
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To add to the above post, the P-39 (and P-63) was one of the few mid-engine (buried engine) aircraft that saw any measure of success.
I will also add, that one of the benefits of this forum is how much discussions like his have added to my own understanding about aircraft that I had limited knowledge. In the right environment and use, the P-39/P-63 was a good aircraft and I have nothing against it. It just helps to understand its strengths and weaknesses.
GregP
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It had strengths?
GrauGeist
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And the "Speed of Dark" thread!
It has the power to drive never ending debate?
GregP
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No way!
GregP
Major
This is almost as fun as the old thread with the Gremans ...
