johnbr
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Heinkel He-177 Greif
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johnbr
2nd Lieutenant
Crimea_River
Marshal
Source?
Good stuff!
johnbr
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vikingBerserker
Lieutenant General
Beautiful, I so wished one had been saved.
johnbr
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Heinkel HE 274
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fubar57
General
Vahe Demirjian
Banned
I have a copy of Manfred Griehl and Joachim Dressel's 1998 book on the Heinkel He 177 and related aircraft (this book was published in German in 1989 and the English translation came out in 1998, which is why the bibliography of this book contains no post-1990 publications), and this photo is actually of the unbuilt Heinkel He 277, which had a wingspan of 131 feet and would have had either four BMW 801s or Daimler Benz DB 603s.
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Vahe Demirjian
Banned
From the Nevington War Museum website:
Many postwar publications on Nazi aircraft, including William Green's 1970 book Warplanes of the Third Reich, claimed that the Heinkel He 177 V38 (a production He 177A-5, Wk.Nr. 550002) was intended to be the prototype of a nuclear-armed strategic bomber due to its huge bomb bay and the fact that the base in Czechoslovakia where it was tested was home to secret Nazi weapons apart from the vengeance weapons. However, it is clear that the He 177 V38 was merely intended to test the bomb bay of the production Junkers Ju 287 forward swept wing bomber.
Many postwar publications on Nazi aircraft, including William Green's 1970 book Warplanes of the Third Reich, claimed that the Heinkel He 177 V38 (a production He 177A-5, Wk.Nr. 550002) was intended to be the prototype of a nuclear-armed strategic bomber due to its huge bomb bay and the fact that the base in Czechoslovakia where it was tested was home to secret Nazi weapons apart from the vengeance weapons. However, it is clear that the He 177 V38 was merely intended to test the bomb bay of the production Junkers Ju 287 forward swept wing bomber.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Clear to whom?
The He177 was being developed independent of the Ju287 and since when were bomb-bays "tested"?
And best run over to wiki and check the difference in size between the Ju287 and the He177 - the Grief was nearly twice the size of the Ju287...
Vahe Demirjian
Banned
The following link answers the first question:
German Bomber modified for A Bomb Delivery - Page 2 - Axis History Forum
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Ok soooo...you're sending me to another WWII forum to read a thread that covers a discussion that we have going on here?
Do you realize how stupid that is?
fubar57
General
NO
Vahe - Dave's on the money with the size difference between the 177 and 287. You posted this schematic cross-section of the 287 recently on another thread - and those main landing wheels barely fit in the fuselage.
No way is that bomb-bay above gonna fit on a 287...
Nice shots!
Propellorhead
Airman 1st Class
That was not the opinion of Luftwaffe POWs in SRA. 4394, discussing the "177" aircraft converted to carry the 76 Zentner bomb in September 1943. these POW mention that engines intended for the aircraft were not ready. It remains unclear which engines the V38 aircraft was awaiting?
Another POW report SRA.4450, IN October 1943 discusses a bomb capable of destroying a whole town so there wasn't a soul left there.
Given the "177" aircraft was awaiting new engines, the question arises, was it intended to be completed with four DB603 as an He277, or as an He177 A-7 with two DB610?
(above) The He177 A-7 stkz GP+RY which Peter Evans, LEMB once assured me, never existed.
(below) the He 277
Incidentally the Ju287 fuselage (below) came from an He177 A-0, so the Ju287 was no wise inferior in size except perhaps wingspan
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Propellorhead
Airman 1st Class
Most were used in the anti shipping role,
Some were used for fast hit and run Steinbock night raids over the UK in which they climbed in darkness over Holland or Belgium Then they flew west in high speed shallow dives to make interception challenging. After unloading bombs on their targets they would drop to low level to escape over the English channel. Most were retired to Norway parked at Gardermoen where the British 21st Army brok them up and dumped remains in the sea
Propellorhead
Airman 1st Class
The Ju287 V1 fitted with an enlarged bomb bay for the 76 Zentner, had fixed spatted wheels , so wheel retraction was not an issue.
