How good was the soviet air force?

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Liberation of France took 2 years. The liberation of Czechoslovakia took until 1992. You do not seem to remember how it was there.

I was there before the wall went.

And please do not forget land lease again ( the basics as in plains train trucks fuel aluminium intelligentes etc etc etc) for wich without the panzers would have been parked on Красная площадь.
Our Russions friends make a habit of that.
It is true the soviets ( that is quite a bit more peoples then Russians) destroyed a good part of the beast.
It was never the plan that liberation came from the East.
Oh and why forgetting yank tanks and infanterie and airplanes in said territory...liberating stuff...


Dont know what you reasons are but historical they are not.
 
Mr. Fico should also remember that without the West and Lend Lease the Soviet forces may not have faired so well. Additionally without the Mediterranean and Western Front in 1943 and 1944, the German's could have concentrated many more forces and resources to the Eastern Front.

The defeat of Germany was a complete Allied effort, let's not forget that.
 
If he said that, Fico wouldn't have received his payola.
 

Not sure how many T-34s would have been built without American steel for the armor or American aluminum for the engine-blocks. Nor 15 million pair of boots to shoe their army, nor deuce-and-a-halfs to truck them across Eastern Europe.

Don't get me wrong, the Soviets killed more Germans than the Brits and Americans. But they couldn't have done that without direct and material aid.
 
Agreed. I will never minimize the effort or sacrifice of the Red Army. The Soviets played a massive part. But all in all it took an "Allied Effort" to win the war.

The Soviets soldiers undertook hardships not only from their enemy, but also from their command structure.

Pretty sure they were happy for the boots and tires and gasoline all the same.
 
I'm curious, since when did the Slovak president's [anti-]historical views become a topic in a thread about Soviet aviation?
 
I cannot say whether it was intended as Russian propaganda or not on the part of Texnuk (or on the part of Fico for that matter), but (I think) it is a newsworthy event.

Also, although I can see where the replies are coming from, we should not forget that the Soviets did destroy the majority of the German army and air force (I have seen many different numbers but they usually seem to hover around 70%) while taking huge losses (again the numbers vary a lot, but probably a minimum of around 8M-9M military personnel killed?) - said losses suffered by the US/UK/French in the ETO&MTO (~750,000 total military personnel killed?) seeming small in comparison.

I say all of the above in spite of the fact that I would cheerfully help with the removal of Putin (and any other parties responsible for the invasion of Ukraine) from this reality.
 
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I cannot say whether it was intended as Russian propaganda or not on the part of Texnuk (or on the part of Fico for that matter),
Certainly. It is a typical way of modern Russian propaganda to refer to the words of any weird West politicians (usually sponsored by Putin). What made Fico think anyone would forget something? Who gave him the right to insult European leaders? Moreover, many people still remember very well on whose side the Slovaks fought before 1943 (or even 1944) - as well as the Tiso laws under which Jews in Slovakia were sent to death camps.
but (I think) it is a newsworthy event.
May be.
Also, although I can see where the replies are coming from, we should not forget that the Soviets did destroy the majority of the German army and air force
Wehrmacht, not Luftwaffe.
This is well known - at least, in Europe. It should be mentioned that the high Soviet casualties were partly due to abysmal command at all levels.
I say all of the above in spite of the fact that I would cheerfully help with the removal of Putin (and any other parties responsible for the invasion of Ukraine) from this reality.
Sometimes I think that any attempts to be impartial and objective only serve to infiltrate the most disgusting Russian propaganda.
 
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Sometimes I think that any attempts to be impartial and objective only serve to infiltrate the most disgusting Russian propaganda.

To a degree I agree , but to ignore the Soviet sacrifice in WWII is to demean that sacrifice to some extent, which is (I think) wrong - regardless of the current situation. The fact that some militaries were/are ineptly led (or even inept as individuals) does not change their level of sacrifice in the overall sense - or what point in the level of competence vs number of military personnel killed does it become proper to honor their sacrifice?
 

I don't think anyone should disparage the Soviet soldier. They were as shit-bound as Japanese or USMC troops and in many cases just as hellbound.
 
Eastern Front Aircraft Strength and Losses 1941-45

Even with massive numerical advantage and newer fighter types, the exchange rate for the Soviets against the Luftwaffe was not much better in 1943-44, than it was in 1941.
I'm from Russia, I'm new here. Hello. I agree with your words, but in 1941 the advantage of the size of the Soviet AF was even greater than in 1944. But it is worth comparing the known number of combat flight of pilots and aircraft.

My position: Stalin's regime is based on lies. We were told here a powerful Soviet myth that was developed for half a century. The knowledge of "pripiski" is equally strong in the USSR. It is difficult for a citizen of a democracy, whom I was for a short time, to make this feel.

Therefore, it is easier to start with framed facts. For example: the many mentioned Ju 87s flew until May 1945, but exclusively over Soviet troops. There was no need to use Me 262, Ar 234, V-1 and V-2. From here we can start discussing the Red Air Force, which managed to suffer losses even in Finland.
 
Not a stupid question - but also think Kittyhawk. While my Dad was at Vaenga they had some P40's shipped in (PQ-18 or before). One did a wheels up. The Russians lifted it up and rested it on 3, 44 Gallon drums. Cut out and replaced bent longerons, dressed up the bent panels and had it back in action that afternoon!
 
As a colleague has already correctly written, you are writing about the post-war production. In 1945, literally all fighters began to be quickly scrapping. With the huge and ongoing production after the war, by 1946 the Air Force found a shortage of aircraft, although many pilots were demobilized. The basis was Lend-Lease fighters. P-63, for example, in the air defense of the USSR until 1953. Here I note that the USSR did not pay for their delivery, although it had to pay or return them under the contract.
The Iskra and Delfine you mentioned was built in Poland and Czech, at nazi factories. The rapid improvement in technology is due to the fact that factories were moved from the east of the Reich, where they were not so bombed. Often together with workers and technologists in the USSR. German has become the main foreign language in schools. The same Yak-3U and -9U are post-war, with the replacement of many wooden parts with metal ones. Also La-9 and La-11.
In particular, the USSR was slow to realize the importance of sustainability. The fame of the maneuverability of those fighters is largely due to their rear alignment, instability. Although this error was discovered in 1941, it was not corrected in some places by 1945. It was difficult to fly on Soviet planes. The glorious Il-2 suffered from this until 1944, when the sweep of the wing consoles was increased. On an unstable aircraft, the shooter's place was attached right at the airfields, shifting the gravity back. The precision of production, the quality of the forest (ALL Soviet fighters are wooden), the quality of the canvas, varnish... For example, a LaGG is designed from wood impregnated with phenolic resin under pressure. But that resin was purchased until the spring of 1941 in Germany! Therefore, in the summer it had to be converted to an ordinary tree, which took a long time to dry. And the main timber harvesting was carried out in the Baltic States. Aircraft factories began to be built there, not beyond the Urals, in 1941.
But all this is not written everywhere, of course. It is much easier to quote articles from Soviet magazines for young scale modelers. However, before Barbarossa, the USSR bought the Me 109E, He 111 etc. According to Soviet reports, they are worse than the Soviet ones.
And there were thousands of bombers in the USSR, which "for some reason" are unworthy of mention. The mentioned Pe-2 and Tu-2 did not dive. After the war: a pair of hundred were built from the spring of 1944. He didn't dive either, though. By the way, the Pe-2 was a metal and very expensive, complex aircraft. With hard pilotage.
 
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I did like the contemporary quote "The pilot could take evasive action by running around inside the fuselage. G
 
I will support you again. Not only radio communication (say, headphones. in which something can be heard), but also the visibility, range, landing speed... They wrote here that they say Soviet aircraft are adapted to Soviet airfields. But how? Hurricane was ordered before 1944, because they have a MUCH lower speed. And a cooling system for VERY different weather conditions. And the review! And the guns! And the number of rounds!
Still, they understand that the review will be achieved mainly by reducing the speed and range in the flight spec, which is so loved by the laymen. In the USSR, its importance was understood, but the designers were asked not the visibility, but the speed.There were no dump tanks either. And there is no navigation equipment. Then we are amazed that the Yak is so light. Hence the non-combat losses of even experienced pilots. And the pilot's experience is the main resource. If a German ace reached the score of 100, he became immortal, as it were, until his plane or colleagues let him down.
The maintainability of Soviet equipment is poor. There was even a belief that planes, tanks, guns, and trucks were disposable. Yes, if they are Soviet.
Even the descriptions of foreign planes are better than the Soviet ones. After the war and in the USSR, for some time they tried to hold on to foreign samples in descriptions and manuals, but it was not enough for a long time.
Describe such important things as tires, glazing, ventilation and heating, oxygen equipment. You can look for heaters on Soviet aircraft of that time. But they also fought in the Black Sea steppes in the summer.
Finally, the well-known thesis is that in the east they flew low. But because the side with the numerical advantage could not use the height for long-range strikes. If the Air Force is flying low, then they are losing. All the others increased the altitude and range of raids. To attack at low altitude, but to fly there - at high altitude.
 

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