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FN FAL.
And don't tell me it wasn't a WW2 weapon.
Designed in belgium prior to ww2 the plans/drawings were smuggled out to the British.
One reason for it not being produced was the inordinate amount of retraining tactcal decisions that would have been needed at war.
Yup .308 or .303 cal FN FAL, go kick some.
Called the SLR in later years.
Joe2 said:For me=LOADS of smoke gernades. that way I could be a coward and run away
If not, the Bren gun. Like i said before, nothing can beat it.
I don't really rate the M1 Carbine, StG44 or 5.56mm NATO round too much, my reasons why should be known.
There are plus points though; the M1 Carbine performed well against thinly clothed targets (Obviously excluding the Soviets in WW2), the StG44 was a good weapon and the 5.56 is light and readily available.
And regading the 7.92x33 Kurz round, well it would penetrate the thick German steel helmet past 700m, so its lethal as far away as you can reliably hit a human sized target.
I was after less weight (more ammo) and a bayonet.
In fact MUCH further away than you could reliably hit a human sized target. With less than about a 450mm sight radius and square notch sights? 200m would be about it in aimed methodical fire. Less under stress of combat.
And I know I'm a broken record, but has anyone ever carried 12.5lb rifle + what 4, 5, 8 30-round clips of ammo? That coupled with your normal load out gets frickin' tiring REAL quick. This ain't video games here boys.
M1 Carbine.
You know better than to provoke me Soren?
Very well. SAS reports on the M1 Carbine state that an overcoat is defense against one at 50m! (IIRC). There is also a report on a bullet from one failing to stop a soldier point-blank (he was finished off with a 12guage). Strange that it should pierce a helmnet though - I wonder if this is due to clothes spreading the load? (like Kevlar), odd.
As for penetration of the 7.92 Kurzpatrone, yes I am well aware of it. You do know though that penetration is often at the expense of lethality? (Think Mogadishu). The terminal ballistics are nasty though IIRC.
The StG's bad points were that it was easy to burn your hands with and too flimsy for hand-to-hand combat (Problems the Schmeisser shared) also, as has been said and like the Schmeisser, it couldn't be fired from prone too well. A good weapon though.
As for the effectiveness of the 5.56mm NATO, well I'm sure many would disagree, but the M1943 Soviet has proved superior, even to the SS109 (and that is far from ideal). Of course, the Corbon may prove me wrong(?) but I have no data on that and it ain't standard issue(?).
Nope, cause the 7.92 Kurz round flies so fast that it causes damage to organs far away from the actual entry hole - hence why the 5.56 NATO is so effective.
I know an overcoat isn't gonna save you.
And reports of the M1 Carbine not penetrating a heavy over coat at 50yds is pure bullfeces. 900ft-lbs of energy does not bleed off that quickly. You won't find single person on the planet willing to suffer a shot from an M1 carbine at 50 yds wearing a wool coat.
And I know I'm a broken record, but has anyone ever carried 12.5lb rifle + what 4, 5, 8 30-round clips of ammo? That coupled with your normal load out gets frickin' tiring REAL quick. This ain't video games here boys.