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I think the Japanese had some experience in slow-speed dogfights over China well before they entered WWII. The Chinese weren't flying any hustlers, mostly I-15s, some I-16s, the occasional Hawk. The IJN naval air corps built a good body of experience there, so far as my reading has shown. I don't know much about their army air ops, but one reason why everyone regards their naval aviators in 1941 as being premier was from this experience dating from 1937-38 and onward. They knew how to dogfight slow, and had the equipment that could do that very well indeed.
I should have been more specific, I meant the kind of experience against fighters of the type that Europe and the US were building at that time. Even during the Spanish Civil War, the lessons learned from the deployment of the Bf 109 took time to learn, in fact, many of the lessons from that conflict were ignored by Britain, the US etc. If anything, the Japanese experience from those conflicts you mention leaned further toward their accepted tactics and assured them they were on the right track. As mentioned, it wasn't until the BoB that the kind of fighter-versus-fighter combat that we acknowledge as being de rigeur emerged.
Japan certainly didn't have that experience and like I said, for the first year of the Pacific War the A6M and Ki-43 and their superior manoeuvrability and tactics reigned supreme. The US Navy's pilots couldn't defeat them one-on-one, so they outsmarted them, because they themselves were learning on the hoof, too. Thankfully, US manufacturers and the USN and USAAC heeded the lessons from the British and Germans scrapping it out over Britain and armour and self sealing tanks were being fitted at the time Japan attacked Pearl.
But I don't agree that they were inexperienced with slow-speed dogfights.
I think you might have missed what I said, Thump. I didn't say they were inexperienced in dogfight type combat, in fact I said the exact opposite in that the experience they had tended to reinforce what they believed was the right way to fly and flight. I meant that they had not yet learned the lessons of combat that were being learned during the BoB in the summer of 1940, so their experience in that kind of combat was limited.
ETA: I've reread, and you're right; I've misunderstood your point. I'm sorry for that.
t seems the lessons you learn fighting a less potent enemy will require a quick recalibration when you finally meet your match. How quickly and efficiently you can accomplish that will determine your prospects in the long slog of an attrition war.
Which is why I think the Ukrainians are training us. The recent conflicts the US has been involved in haven't been against a large army.It seems the lessons you learn fighting a less potent enemy will require a quick recalibration when you finally meet your match. How quickly and efficiently you can accomplish that will determine your prospects in the long slog of an attrition war.
It seems the lessons you learn fighting a less potent enemy will require a quick recalibration when you finally meet your match. How quickly and efficiently you can accomplish that will determine your prospects in the long slog of an attrition war.
People tend to forget that the P-36 debuted at the same time as the Bf109 and Hurricane and was one of the Premier fighters of the day.The P-36 was a decent dogfighter (that doesn't get nearly enough attention
People tend to forget that the P-36 debuted at the same time as the Bf109 and Hurricane and was one of the Premier fighters of the day.
My Uncle Jimmy would have gotten into the fray on 7 December if his P-36 had ammunition.
Yes, but for the RN to consider it, it must be even shorter. Though HMS Indomitable (forward lift only) and Furious should be feasible.I thought the SBD had a shorter wingspan to avoid the necessity of folding wings.
The design was kept relatively compact (41 foot wingspan) and the wings were designed for strength, so folding was not an option because of that.I thought the SBD had a shorter wingspan to avoid the necessity of folding wings.
Given its success and robustness I can't fault its designers. It is noteworthy that Dauntless and Aichi D3A aside (granted, the two most important and successful naval DBs of the war) the other naval dive bombers, including the Skua, Loire-Nieuport LN.401, Vought SB2U, Curtiss SB2C, Stuka (prototype), Yokosuka D4Y and Aichi B7A had folding wings.The design was kept relatively compact (41 foot wingspan) and the wings were designed for strength, so folding was not an option because of that.