Is this picture a BF 109 G10?
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Crimea_River
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G-10s can have short or tall tail wheels. Need to look deeper in my references to answer better but am pressed fro time. Try this The 109 Lair- The Online Source for Messerschmitt 109 information
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I have another question does anyone know what the colour of the rudder and bottom of the engine cover is. They don't look the same as the rest of the plane. I'm thinking it's white or possibly rlm84. There's is another plane white 43 from NJG 11 that has a white rudder. Could this be likely in 1945?
GrauGeist
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More than likely the chin and rudder are yellow.
Look at the White on the spinner and Balkankruz (on the fuselage) and it has a higher contrast in comparison.
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The White 43 had neither the rudder nor the bottom of the engine cowling white . It was of the RLM76 overall. The misleading idea of the white rudder was taken because of the very ligh tone of the rudder in the first pic below. IMHO it is the light trick because of the sunlight , fabric skin of the rudder. paint fading and the angle of it that was slightly turned left. The same effect can be noticed on the lowered down starboard flap. The lighter appearance of the bottom part of the engine cowling was caused by overheating , dirt, the angle of the sunlight and shadow coming together. For the same reason the kite in the pic of the post #1 looks the same.
the pic source: the Internet.
the pic source: the Internet.
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Crimea_River
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The 130 XXX W. Nr. block makes it a Regensburg produced G-10 with a DB605 D engine (not AS).
As above, this is a G-10 W.Nr. 130396 (Mtt Reg.)
It is probably and aircraft of II./NJG 11 based at Juterborg-Waldlager in early 1945. Note the flame dampers on the exhausts.
It was finished in overall RLM 76 as someone else has already noted.
This aircraft and another G-10, marked 44, W.Nr. 130342, were captured by the Allies at Fassburg in April 1945.
Edit: The deeper oil cooler housing (for the Fo 987 cooler) is a good clue that this aircraft had a 605 D installed. It's not a golden rule as some G-10/AS and even G-14/AS also had the deeper cooler, but it's a good pointer. The G-10 always got MW 50 with the 605 D, making it technically a 605 DM. Clearly visible on this aircraft are the little fairings (they were on both sides) on the hinged lower engine panel, just in front of the first exhaust. They covered the slightly enlarged crank case and oil return lines.
It is probably and aircraft of II./NJG 11 based at Juterborg-Waldlager in early 1945. Note the flame dampers on the exhausts.
It was finished in overall RLM 76 as someone else has already noted.
This aircraft and another G-10, marked 44, W.Nr. 130342, were captured by the Allies at Fassburg in April 1945.
Edit: The deeper oil cooler housing (for the Fo 987 cooler) is a good clue that this aircraft had a 605 D installed. It's not a golden rule as some G-10/AS and even G-14/AS also had the deeper cooler, but it's a good pointer. The G-10 always got MW 50 with the 605 D, making it technically a 605 DM. Clearly visible on this aircraft are the little fairings (they were on both sides) on the hinged lower engine panel, just in front of the first exhaust. They covered the slightly enlarged crank case and oil return lines.
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GrauGeist
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Something else I noticed in the OP photo, are the "Whitehall" tires on the maingear. Typically, those were used in Afrika...interesting to see them in use so late in the war.
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Get your glasses then 
1 st pic 1 st post
1 st pic 1 st postGet your glasses then
Didn't look at that one! Two different aircraft.
Airframes
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The first pic in the OP appears to be a different aircraft.
Spinner spiral seems different, white wall tyres, antennae under the wing, and the number on the fuselage appears to be a '3' or'7'.
Spinner spiral seems different, white wall tyres, antennae under the wing, and the number on the fuselage appears to be a '3' or'7'.
Crimea_River
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Ah yes we got off track. Somebody said White 43 and then a bunch of pictures showed and the latter is what I referred to in my post.
Not sure the tires are whitewalls. I'd suggest mud stains.
Not sure the tires are whitewalls. I'd suggest mud stains.
I agree. The "White 43" has the oil sump cover with a small blister at the front of the bottom engine cowling just below the front of the exhaust pipes. This indicates the DB 605D engine. The Bf 109 of the post #1 doesn't have that one there what indicates the DB 605A power plant. It's possible the plane was a Bf 109G-6/AS or G-14. Also there is a difference in location of the oil filler caps. The lower position of the hatch indicates the AS engined aircraft.
IMHO I found it .... it is the Bf 109G-6/AS/N propably belonged to the 4./NJG 11. The plane had the FuG 217J Neptun device installed. The antennas of the device can be seen on the fuselage, in front of the radiator air intake and wing undersides And I agree with Terry propably that's the "White 7".
If it is 'White 44' W.Nr. 130342 then it would be a G-10 and should have the D series engine.
I agree that this does not seem to be the engine fitted to that aircraft.
There were some G-10s built with the ASM engine by Erla (49xxxx) but then the supposed W.Nr. doesn't fit.
I agree that this does not seem to be the engine fitted to that aircraft.
There were some G-10s built with the ASM engine by Erla (49xxxx) but then the supposed W.Nr. doesn't fit.
GrauGeist
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I considered that, but looking closely, they appear to be the Tropical issue whitewall type.
That's a good call on the evidence available.
I can see the deeper oil cooler of a late production/conversion aircraft, which fits with the camouflage, and is that a G-10 style supercharger intake? Various other filler caps and intakes all look to be in the right places.
I think that the foremost of three antennae is also just about visible on the opened panel in front of the windscreen. They should be there in a FuG 217 installation.
I'll take Terry's word for 'White 7', it's not one I'm aware of. A W.Nr. would be great, any aircraft like this could have an interesting history.
