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Some quick numbers of what Germany lost during the North Africa campaign:True, but would it have made a difference? The Afrika Korps in June 1941 consisted of two divisions, the 15th Panzer and 5th Light. By Nov 1941 a second Panzer division was added, with a second motorized division joining in early 1942. That's it, four German combat divisions. Meanwhile, per Wikipedia Germany fielded 153 divisions for Barbarossa, which included 104 infantry, 19 panzer and 15 motorized infantry divisions. Though, Italy staying out of the Balkans and Greece might have helped the Germans focus.
Out of curiosity, were these losses incurred over the same period of time as the Russo-Ukranian War? Except for aircraft, trucks and shipping, the losses seem pretty close.Some quick numbers of what Germany lost during the North Africa campaign:
202,000 men KIA/POW/MIA
8,000 aircraft lost
2,550 tanks lost
6,200 artillery pieces lost
70,000 trucks lost
240,000,000 tons of shipping lost.
And these were just the German's losses. This doesn't include the surviving assets that were still active and committed in Africa during the opening stages of the Eastern Front.
Thise numbers listed above would have made a substantial contribution to the opening assault on the Soviet Union.
The North African Campaign was just shy of three years: June 1940 to May 1943.Out of curiosity, were these losses incurred over the same period of time as the Russo-Ukranian War? Except for aircraft, trucks and shipping, the losses seem pretty close.
I read a long time ago that the armour and troops tied down in Greece alone to repel a non existent invasion would or could have been decisive in Moscow 1941/2The North African Campaign was just shy of three years: June 1940 to May 1943.
Of course, it was the Italians who started that dog and pony show and Hitler sent Rommel down in February 1941 to try and bail Mussilini's ass out.
So the German effort was from February 1941 to May 1943, just over two years.
Agreed.I read a long time ago that the armour and troops tied down in Greece alone to repel a non existent invasion would or could have been decisive in Moscow 1941/2
In fact no second PzD was sent but 5th Light was reorganized as 21st PzD and the motorized division was partly formed from units of the German Afrika Korps already located in the NA and later renamed as 90. Light Africa Division.True, but would it have made a difference? The Afrika Korps in June 1941 consisted of two divisions, the 15th Panzer and 5th Light. By Nov 1941 a second Panzer division was added, with a second motorized division joining in early 1942. That's it, four German combat divisions. Meanwhile, per Wikipedia Germany fielded 153 divisions for Barbarossa, which included 104 infantry, 19 panzer and 15 motorized infantry divisions. Though, Italy staying out of the Balkans and Greece might have helped the Germans focus.
Agreed.
Those additional forces would have been instrumental in Germany's push into the Soviet Union well beyond what they accomplished historically.
The Germans simply elaborated new tactics in order to reduce high losses after they tried to fly between the ships - at least you can find some evidences in Russian sources. And the correct term for "flak trawlers" is "american and british destroyers".Well, some Italian aircrew were very professional. During the Axis attacks on the convoys from UK, Iceland to Murmansk in Russia, the German torpedo bombers chickened out by dropping their fish at maximum distance to avoid the fire from the flak trawlers. Italian pilots flew between the ships to drop their torpedoes - usually just a few feet above the water to be below the ship's gun depression.
I am willing to bet that the supply and logistics for the additional Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht units fielded on the Ost front instead of North Afrika would be much easier.How would've German logistics coped with yet another batch of divisions requiring food, fodder, fuel and ammo many hundreds of kilometers from Berlin?
I am willing to bet that the supply and logistics for the additional Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht units fielded on the Ost front instead of North Afrika would be much easier.
As it was, Germany lost a tremendous amount of supplies being shipped or flown across the Med. as it was. Add in the lost men and equipment that were transporting the supplies and the cost increases further.
Some quick numbers of what Germany lost during the North Africa campaign:
202,000 men KIA/POW/MIA
8,000 aircraft lost
2,550 tanks lost
6,200 artillery pieces lost
70,000 trucks lost
240,000,000 tons of shipping lost.
And these were just the German's losses. This doesn't include the surviving assets that were still active and committed in Africa during the opening stages of the Eastern Front.
The numbers listed above would have made a substantial contribution to the opening assault on the Soviet Union.
Given the length of the campaign and the fact that Germany lost it doesnt surprise me at all.You.do realize that losing 8,000 aircraft over the entire campaign is not unrealistic, right?
That number covers all types, not just fighters. i.e.: transport, ground attack, bomber, observation, liason and fighter.
Plus Germany was hard pressed to protect their transports from the RAF during the transit between Italy and Tunisia.Given the length of the campaign and the fact that Germany lost it doesnt surprise me at all.