Japan pulls back on denials of WWII sex slaves
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Hello, tyrodtom.
That is frankly a difficult question for me to answer because commercial morality depends on individual and may be different country by country.
Have you noticed that Japanese ad shows target salary but Korean's not? That is because commercial practices were/are different.
They negotiate price each time but we decide buy or not checking price tags.
That is frankly a difficult question for me to answer because commercial morality depends on individual and may be different country by country.
Have you noticed that Japanese ad shows target salary but Korean's not? That is because commercial practices were/are different.
They negotiate price each time but we decide buy or not checking price tags.
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
Shinpachi,
Can you help me with this please.
Do you think that the apologies issued by Japan since 1945 have made your countries relations with your neighbours better over time?
Forgiveness from the victims takes time as they have to come to terms with what happened too.
Like Thorlifter, I appreciate your contributions to this thread.
Best wishes
John
Can you help me with this please.
Do you think that the apologies issued by Japan since 1945 have made your countries relations with your neighbours better over time?
Forgiveness from the victims takes time as they have to come to terms with what happened too.
Like Thorlifter, I appreciate your contributions to this thread.
Best wishes
John
I don't see this happening here, but people have to remember also that the modern people of Japan are not to blame (just like those in Germany) for the actions 70 years ago. They have no reason to feel guilty, nor should they. That is why it is sensitive for many. Many people today still wish to blame them too.
There is a difference between govt. and the people.
Lets not try and our friend Shinpachi feel uncomfortable.
There is a difference between govt. and the people.
Lets not try and our friend Shinpachi feel uncomfortable.
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
I agree Chris, I'm very interested to hear Shinpachi point of view.
raumatibeach
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I totally understand, I don't blame the Japanese people of today for what happened in World war 2 . I do have a problem with those today that try to deny or minimise what happened though.
There is a difference between the govt. and the people.
raumatibeach
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Holcaust denial a crime in Germany?
§ 130 Public Incitement (1985, Revised 1992, 2002, 2005)
(1) Whoever, in a manner that is capable of disturbing the public peace:
incites hatred against segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them; or
assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning, or defaming segments of the population,
shall be punished with imprisonment from three months to five years.
(...)
(3) Whoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or belittles an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the type indicated in Section 6 subsection (1) of the Code of Crimes against International Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than five years or a fine.
(4) Whoever publicly or in a meeting disturbs the public peace in a manner that assaults the human dignity of the victims by approving of, denying or rendering harmless the violent and arbitrary National Socialist rule shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. (...)
N4521U
Colonel
I've said it once before. If it cannot be posted in a thread, it should not be said. I received this PM this morning. I will preface it with "people who live in glass houses should not throw stones".
When the British are ready to apologize for helping the Japanese to build a fleet, including carriers and capital ships, and the ability to put "big bombs on small planes", construct carrier planes as well as teach their pilots to take off and land on said carriers and perfect their bombing skills. This was all done in about 7 years following WWI. This gave the IJN the capability to carry out the attack on Pearl Harbor, to begin with.
When the British are ready to apologize for wiping out the indigenous population of Tazmania. For persecuting almost every indigenous race of every new "discovery" around the world including the U.S., then I will accept bringing up This or any other subject that opens old wounds for no reason at all but to create "hate and discontent among the troops".
So please, do not get me involved in this conversation by sending unwanted PM's when I have expressed my unwillingness to contribute to this thread. There must be other forums for this kind of discourse!
Shinpaci, there is no reason why you should have to Explain all that took place in 1944. If this does need explanation, let them research it elsewhere. It just makes me crazy.
Just Plane Bill
Readie said:
When the British are ready to apologize for helping the Japanese to build a fleet, including carriers and capital ships, and the ability to put "big bombs on small planes", construct carrier planes as well as teach their pilots to take off and land on said carriers and perfect their bombing skills. This was all done in about 7 years following WWI. This gave the IJN the capability to carry out the attack on Pearl Harbor, to begin with.
When the British are ready to apologize for wiping out the indigenous population of Tazmania. For persecuting almost every indigenous race of every new "discovery" around the world including the U.S., then I will accept bringing up This or any other subject that opens old wounds for no reason at all but to create "hate and discontent among the troops".
So please, do not get me involved in this conversation by sending unwanted PM's when I have expressed my unwillingness to contribute to this thread. There must be other forums for this kind of discourse!
Shinpaci, there is no reason why you should have to Explain all that took place in 1944. If this does need explanation, let them research it elsewhere. It just makes me crazy.
Just Plane Bill
Interesting and thank you for posting this
Trying to incite is not very nice. If someone does not get it, or like the forum, there are other forums out there they can frequent.
Trying to incite is not very nice. If someone does not get it, or like the forum, there are other forums out there they can frequent.
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raumatibeach
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We are talking at cross purposes here i think, I'm talking about the denial or minimization of the crimes. I see on this thread it's being claimed that the sex slaves were willing participants, if so why would they bother claiming after all this time that they were not? Why aren't we allowed to discuss or debunk claims like that?
Not trying to incite anything at all and if anyone wants to talk about the crimes of the british empire start a thread i'd be interested to read it. I don't see what Britains past behaviour has to do with Japans sex slavery.
btw N4521U I see the British government has announced that victims of their colonial oppression in Kenya can now claim compensation, I don't recall Britain trying to pretend that their history is littered with horrendous treatment of native tribes, God knows we are still paying for it here in NZ.
Not trying to incite anything at all and if anyone wants to talk about the crimes of the british empire start a thread i'd be interested to read it. I don't see what Britains past behaviour has to do with Japans sex slavery.
btw N4521U I see the British government has announced that victims of their colonial oppression in Kenya can now claim compensation, I don't recall Britain trying to pretend that their history is littered with horrendous treatment of native tribes, God knows we are still paying for it here in NZ.
No one is saying it can't be discussed. Why do you think this? Where has it been said that it can't???
Does discussing it mean that it has to be done in a confrontational manner?
One also does not have to go behind peoples back, and tell people to stop "pussyfooting" about it. It is trying to incite confrontation.
Now, I am going to go and drink a few Franziskaners and warch Hockey. Go Pens!
Does discussing it mean that it has to be done in a confrontational manner?
One also does not have to go behind peoples back, and tell people to stop "pussyfooting" about it. It is trying to incite confrontation.
Now, I am going to go and drink a few Franziskaners and warch Hockey. Go Pens!
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Thanks for your kind comment, John.
Please let me say cleary that Exaggeration must be pointed out and corrected.
N4521U
Colonel
And what is wrong with ME expressing my displeasure with being dragged back into a discussion I don't want to take part in by having someone sending me a F'n PM as above when I have already stated in a post I don't want to take part int it!!!!!!!
Perhaps if those in the know in Britain at the time had not helped the IJN in developing weapons that were capable of carrying out their attacks on Pearl Harbor and other parts of the Pacific, there would have been no Need for Comfort women.
Well Kenya........... how big of Britain!
PLEASE................................. leave me out of this! ***read my above post carefully!
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Lets all calm down...
If someone says they do not wish to be a part of it, respect their wishes. Don't be a foolish dick.
I just understand. You are the only Japanese member of this forum. In a topic like this, it can be overwhelming, especially when it seems you have to be constantly on the defensive.
My Germsn wife goes through the same thing, when the discussion comes up with many of my fellow Americans as well as a few British. She has actually been told once that she should have to answer for the actions of the Nazis, yet she was born almost 40 years after the war ended, and her parents were not even alive.
This discussion should continue. You being modern Japanese have insight to the topic the rest of us do not. The history should not be forgotten. The victims should not be forgotten. Discussing it in a civil non confrontational manner is not "pussyfooting" about it though.
We are all supposed to be friends right?
If someone says they do not wish to be a part of it, respect their wishes. Don't be a foolish dick.
I just understand. You are the only Japanese member of this forum. In a topic like this, it can be overwhelming, especially when it seems you have to be constantly on the defensive.
My Germsn wife goes through the same thing, when the discussion comes up with many of my fellow Americans as well as a few British. She has actually been told once that she should have to answer for the actions of the Nazis, yet she was born almost 40 years after the war ended, and her parents were not even alive.
This discussion should continue. You being modern Japanese have insight to the topic the rest of us do not. The history should not be forgotten. The victims should not be forgotten. Discussing it in a civil non confrontational manner is not "pussyfooting" about it though.
We are all supposed to be friends right?
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OK now you got my attention.
You mean Hawks. But they're off tonight.Go Pens!
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