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syscom3 said:If you have all the componants needed to build a sub assembly, it can be built in no time at all.
the lancaster kicks ass said:are you totally oblivious to the difference in size of the production lines we're talking about, at it's peak the ENTIRE A.V. Roe production group (that accounts for every factory, excluding the canadian one) employed 29,000 staff for lancaster production, willow run alone exployed 42,000, does that mean nothing to you?
you're not proving anything with this argument, i'm willing to drop it..........
syscom3 said:Ive never heard of an airplane being flown into service without a major structural assembly. Theres been plenty of planes flown into service minus parts that dont distract from its airworthyness.
Gnomey said:what matters is the total time to produce 1 bomber from it's components not the time it takes to assemble 1 bomber from sub assemblies.
syscom3 said:Willow Run built a B24 per hour. Are you denying that? (Im saying 60 minuts is more or less 56 minutes in the scheme of things).
Many people have told you that you can complete a plane an hour but not build one
The Lincoln was more or less a beefed up Lanc? Right?
Wrong. It had so many differences it was renamed and new factories were needed. Try looking it up
And in 1943, the UK was not subject to the mass bomb raids of 1940 and 1941.
We had air raids until mid 1944. Not as heavy certainly but we couldn't ignore the danger. Plus of course the thousands of V1's that were launched against us and the hundreds of V2's
And your "shadow" factories would still be nearby the assembly plant(s).
Depends on the bit your producing.
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FLYBOYJ said:syscom3 said:Ive never heard of an airplane being flown into service without a major structural assembly. Theres been plenty of planes flown into service minus parts that dont distract from its airworthyness.
WRONG - There are government inspectors that will make sure every part on the drawing is accounted for -
If you do that in the civilian world the FAA would fine and bring criminal action unless any deviations are documented.....
syscom3 said:Im refering to the 2nd world war aircraft. The USAAF gave waivers whenever it wanted just to get aircraft in service.
syscom3 said:Why did you think I would compare commercial aircraft of these days as opposed ot 1941-1945?
Theres been plenty of planes flown into service minus parts that dont distract from its airworthyness.
Thats a pretty brash statement there...Dont use twisted logic to imply Im reffering to today and not 65 years ago.
Initial production B-17s, P-40s, SDBs and B-24s were built without them.syscom3 said:Self sealing tanks are important enough. So why would the production planners allow the wings to be built without them?
No it wouldn't - but it also won't be sent in combat without them.syscom3 said:And armour plate can be installed at depots or on the tarmac while the plane is readied for acceptance. You think an assembly line would be stopped over that? I think not.
syscom3 said:Note - this discussion is about WW2 bombers not year 2005 commercial aircraft. Dont use twisted logic to imply Im reffering to today and not 65 years ago.
and the B-24 was still easier to build?!?syscom3 said:I have no clue on how you can take this discussion about building bombers 65 years ago and infer that Im talking about aircraft being produced today.
I never said anything about modern aircraft production, it was solely about WW2 production. It was YOU who made a monumental leap in logic. Perhaps the title should be changed to Lanc vs B24 vs L1011
syscom3 said:And about the B17, B24 and SBD going into combat without self sealing tanks. You just proved my point. Either it wasnt in the design, or the powers that be said to not hold up production and send them out anyway.
Same thing can be said about the armour. Build the plane and install the armour in the field. And since most of the armour is located in the seat, well any mechanic can install it.
About 100 P-3s, 4 F-117s, 20 L-1011s and 3 B-2s...DerAdlerIstGelandet said:Hell FBJ has built planes listen to him if you wont listen to me.
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:Agreed FBJ.
I personally love the B-24, hell my favorite bomber is the B-17 even though in my opinion the B-24 and the B-17 were not better than the Lancaster.
One of syscoms largest arguments is the armament of the B-24 compared to the Lancaster. The Lancaster armament was chosen based off of its mission, had it been chosen to do mostly day bombing, I am sure they would have added more armament to it. That is not much of a modification but rather just adding armament it is still the same aircraft.