Man, talk about a girl with GUTS !

[Maestro]

Greetings ladies and gentlemen.

I just read that...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/nyregion/10rape.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin

Unbelievable ! If she can survive that kind of rape, she can do anything !

 

[evangilder]

Indeed. I hope they fry that perp.

 

[Thorlifter]

OMG. Here is what just gets me about this story.

This POS (Piece of S**T) has 71 counts.........71 counts against him and they said he could spend the rest of his life in prison.

What.................The.................F**K???????????

Why do we have to pay to keep a scum bag like this alive? God Damn liberals who just think the death penalty is so bad. Stupid liberal agenda minded judges who pass laws to minimize prosecution laws, but pass even harsher laws to penalize victims in instances of retaliation.

Sorry for any type-o's but this just frustrates the ever lovin hell out of me.

 

[Soren]

IMO they should do like the French did up until the 70's: Death penalty by firing squad. What is more humane quick than that ? (Eventhough some don't deserve it that way)

 

[Maestro]

Nah... Bullets are expensive. Use the good ol' rope and hang that @sshole.

 

[timshatz]

Nah... Bullets are expensive. Use the good ol' rope and hang that @sshole.

Good point, you can re-use the rope. Bullets are a one shot (pun intended) deal.

Probably oughta start a poll, what is the most cost effective method of capital punishment? Rope sounds pretty good.

 

[Konigstiger205]

Hang him...its to human for a savage like him...he should be killed by throwing rocks at him...this kind of bastards deserve no mercy...

 

[Velius]

Drawn and quartered is quite a gruesome way to go

 

[Freebird]

Unbelievable !!

The attacker asked what she thought of Algerians black people, I'm guessing he was black, I wonder if he was illegal.....

Good point, you can re-use the rope. Bullets are a one shot (pun intended) deal.

Probably oughta start a poll, what is the most cost effective method of capital punishment?

Drawn and quartered is quite a gruesome way to go

Actually it was hung, drawn quartered. Very economical, rope can be re-used, the horses get paid with oats....

Perhaps he should be smeared with honey devoured by hungry locusts?

Or perhaps that's too good for him...

 

[Lucky13]

Toss the two timing no good f*cking b*st*rd into a volcanoe....

 

[parsifal]

What happens when the courts get it wrong, and an ionnocent man gets sent to the gallows. I recall a recent study in the US I think, that suggest as many as 20% of death row inmates may be innocent.

Its bad enough when people get sent to prison for crimes they didnt commit, but its a crime as bad as the Nazi death camps when an innocent person gets executed.

Dont get me wrong, if the guy is guilty, he deserves retribution. I chose not to view the tape, but I am opposed to the death penalty, for the reason that the system that sends them there cannot be guaranteed to get it right every time

 

[Vassili Zaitzev]

Just read the article, he's only getting life in prison after 71 counts, that's fu##ked up. People who commit those kinds of crimes deserve no mercy, that's my thought.

 

[Matt308]

What happens when the courts get it wrong, and an ionnocent man gets sent to the gallows. I recall a recent study in the US I think, that suggest as many as 20% of death row inmates may be innocent.

Find that article.

 

[Matt308]

I chose not to view the tape, but I am opposed to the death penalty, for the reason that the system that sends them there cannot be guaranteed to get it right every time

Oh, and parsifal, that is exactly why there are sheep and sheep dogs. Your unwillingness to "view" this, is another example of why good men must occasionally commit grievous acts in the name of your safety. Kiss your mama tonight. Sweet dreams.

 

[parsifal]

with respect, but you dont know what you are talking about. If you have seen as many miscarriages of justice as I have, and innocent people being punished, you wouldnt carry on on like some red necked pork F*cking chop.

Do you really think the system cares all that much about getting the right man. The system just wants to balance the books more than anything, so as to say that crime rates are down, or there is a get tough policy on such and such a crime that happens to be in the news right now.

And no, I will not read the article, because i have see so many just like it before. Generally a beat up by some f*cking two bit jopurno who has a bit of a light week in the newsroom, or couldnt be bothered to get off his a*se and do some real research. Im sure this guys a monster, but me reading about it isnt going to change that. neither is it going to help me understand the issue either. To "understand" an issue like this, you have to go through the trial process, examine the evidence, and know the people. Untested evidence is no evidence.

Having said all that, the jury system is all we have. Until someone comes up with something better, we have to make the system work.

And there is NO evidence to support the notion that the death penalty makes the wider community safer. Quite the contrary. It appears that if the state sets a bad example, and starts murdering people, then the community sees that as a cue to start down that pathway as well.

Australia has abolished the death penalty for over 40 years. Contrary to the populist press the crime rate statistics have dropped in that time.

Oh, and finally, I am not the one that needs to be tucked in to bed. I was one of the guys that make it possible for the rest of the community to sleep at night. Perhaps because I have benn a bit cl;oser to the legal process than most of you, I realize its weaknesses a bit better

 

[Maestro]

You know, I think we should run for it anyway. Of course we could kill one or two innocents in the process, but as long as it makes it safer for our citizens, who gives a f*ck ?

Oh, so we killed your husband and he was innocent ? Here are a few hundrend thousands dollars compensation with compliments from the governement.

Even if there was a few innocents sentenced to death, the number of @ssholes we could get ride of would greatly compensate. Because a f*cker off the streets is still one less f*cker to worry about.

 

[Matt308]

Oh, and finally, I am not the one that needs to be tucked in to bed. I was one of the guys that make it possible for the rest of the community to sleep at night. Perhaps because I have benn a bit cl;oser to the legal process than most of you, I realize its weaknesses a bit better

Then surely with such a breadth of first hand legal case knowledge, you can't possibly support a statistic such as "20% of [US] death row inmates may be innocent". Surely.

And violent crime has decreased in the US too. Not only do we have the death penalty, but some states have an express lane. Go Texas.

Having said that, I too no longer support the death penalty as implemented in the US. Because of all of the legal inefficiencies that result in a death penalty sentence, I have now come to believe that as currently implemented it is too expensive. So prison with no parole is now my favorite. However, if we to at any point in time change the game rules, I would gladly advocate a death penalty sentence. And not just for capital or aggravated murder. Kid touchers would move to the front of the line.

 

[ToughOmbre]

Having said that, I too no longer support the death penalty as implemented in the US. Because of all of the legal inefficiencies that result in a death penalty sentence, I have now come to believe that as currently implemented it is too expensive. So prison with no parole is now my favorite. However, if we to at any point in time change the game rules, I would gladly advocate a death penalty sentence. And not just for capital or aggravated murder. Kid touchers would move to the front of the line.

With you all the way Matt!

Especially your last sentence.

TO

 

[parsifal]

Then surely with such a breadth of first hand legal case knowledge, you can't possibly support a statistic such as "20% of [US] death row inmates may be innocent". Surely.

I dont have a breadth of knowledge, but i have put enough people behind bars for crimes against the community, including male brothels, environmental destruction, child pornography, and premediated attacks by unrestrained dogs on defenceless children, to know something of the law. You thought I was a defence lawer didnt you, wrong. I have worked mostly as a prosecution expert, with a speciality in environmental and community breaches. Ive seen my share of low lifes, and i also have see more than my fair share of miscarriages, and I can tell you that the 20% estimate on misacarriages of justice is conservative

And violent crime has decreased in the US too. Not only do we have the death penalty, but some states have an express lane. Go Texas.
There is NO evidence to support the notion that the death penalty works as a deterrent to violent crime. in fact its works in the opposite direction. People who know they are going to fry generally are encouraged by the "system" to be even more desperate. What you are creating is a society of misfits....and aint that obvious


Having said that, I too no longer support the death penalty as implemented in the US. Because of all of the legal inefficiencies that result in a death penalty sentence, I have now come to believe that as currently implemented it is too expensive. So prison with no parole is now my favorite. However, if we to at any point in time change the game rules, I would gladly advocate a death penalty sentence. And not just for capital or aggravated murder. Kid touchers would move to the front of the line

God i would laugh if ever you get falsely accused, tried and sent to the fryer screaming like a stuck pig that you were innocent, knowing that the prosecutor knew you were innocent, but because the system is not interested in justice, just in upholding the law, and the system has someone to blame, then you will do.

In Australia ther has been two cases of such miscarriages (actually there are hundreeds, but these two should illustyrate the problems just a bit). One involved a hanging, back in the 30's, which new evidence now shows the man was innocent. The evidence, incidentally is incontrovertible, more disturbingly, it was evidence known to police at the time, but witheld from the trial judge, because they wanted to get a conviction. B*gger that the guy hanged for a crime he didnt commit, they just wanted blod, very similar to what i am seeing here in this thread) He recently received an official pardon from the governor, 70 years too late.

The second did not involve the death penalty, but it was a gaol sentence. The woman was accused of murdering her own child. She had claimed a wild dog (a dingo) had taken the baby. Complex forensic evidence was submitted that "proved" this was not possible. She went to Gaol, for twenty years i believe. 4 years after she had entered Darwin Gaol (one of the toughest womens gaols in the country), police found the babies remains, you guessed it in a dogs lair. They tried to withhold the evidence, because they "did not want to undermine the faith in the system" But they were forced to, and the woman was eventually pardoned by the governor and the conviction overturned and expunged. Doesnt do a lot to reinforce your faith in the system

So you guys can convince yourself how good the system is, and how safe it makes you, and how the occasional miscarriage doesnt matter. But I can tell you that on every count that you are congratulating yourselves about supporting a system you think is near "fool"proof, and dishing out puinishment only to those who deserve it, youd be wrong. The only "fool"(s) are those that support and advocate such a system

Oh, and I relented and read the article. As I expected it doesnt change a thing, Im not going to change my attitude, just because the NY times publishes something like that. Do you beleive everything you read in the Newspaper?? Oh I forgot, you support the death penalty, of course you do

 

[Freebird]

Having said that, I too no longer support the death penalty as implemented in the US. Because of all of the legal inefficiencies that result in a death penalty sentence, I have now come to believe that as currently implemented it is too expensive. So prison with no parole is now my favorite. However, if we to at any point in time change the game rules, I would gladly advocate a death penalty sentence. And not just for capital or aggravated murder. Kid touchers would move to the front of the line.

Matt, Parsifal you are both right to some extent.

1.) Matt, I would agree with most here that this guy deserves to be fried. {slow painfully too!} but only If he is guilty of what he is accused of.

2.) Parsifal you are correct that it is often difficult to determine guilt with 100% accuracy. Many innocents have likely been executed

3.) I believe that you are also right that statistics generally do not support the idea of the death penalty as a deterrent.

4.) However most of us are also outraged that the most awful offenders "punishment" is to sit around on the taxpayers dime until some weasel parole board lets them out. Case in point = "Paul Bernardo" - to have this guy show up every 5 years for a parole hearing {as allowed by law} and have the victims families re-live every time is offensive too.