The 109 is my favorite fighter of WW2 anyhow. It was not the best but it is my favorite.
Me 109, Spitfire, Zero or Mustang
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I actually do not like the Mustang. When compared to its radial engine counter parts in the USAF, USN, and USMC, it was fragile. For example, how many 'Stangs were lost because of a hit on a coolant line. A hit in the same place on a 'Bolt, for example, all you did was tick off the pilot and the crew chief. I am not minimizing the role of the P-51, but it does, in my experience, has an almost cult following. HMMMMM, its almost like those guys who like Spits, 109s, and Lancs. Things that make you go HMMMMM
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Still, I guess that was a problem with liquid cooled engines. I wonder was the pilot surviviability of a 109 vs a P-51. I exclude a Zero because anything above a spit wad would shred it. Still I don't think the 'Stang was the best plane the US had. If you want to compare kill ratios the Hellcat and Corsair were well above it and the P-47 gave it a run for its money.
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Still, I guess that was a problem with liquid cooled engines. I wonder was the pilot surviviability of a 109 vs a P-51. I exclude a Zero because anything above a spit wad would shred it. Still I don't think the 'Stang was the best plane the US had. If you want to compare kill ratios the Hellcat and Corsair were well above it and the P-47 gave it a run for its money.
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Spits and 109s were great aircraft. I like them. Do I make you go hmmm?
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
I dont think comparing kill ratios between the Pacific and Europe really proves anything... Different combat, different enemy...
But.... I agree with Curzon entirely on his above post... If the P-47D was manufactured in such numbers as the P-51D, and used in the escort role exclusively, all these P-51 bandwagoneers would be P-47 bandwaggoneers.... Just about all the German pilots I have ever met, or even read about, said that the P-47 was a more dangerous enemy, but the #'s of Mustangs covering a bomber stream was more than the Luftwaffe could handle...
3 Stafflen vs 500 escorts??? Not very good odds is it???
But.... I agree with Curzon entirely on his above post... If the P-47D was manufactured in such numbers as the P-51D, and used in the escort role exclusively, all these P-51 bandwagoneers would be P-47 bandwaggoneers.... Just about all the German pilots I have ever met, or even read about, said that the P-47 was a more dangerous enemy, but the #'s of Mustangs covering a bomber stream was more than the Luftwaffe could handle...
3 Stafflen vs 500 escorts??? Not very good odds is it???
the lancaster kicks ass
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yes, yes you do.....
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Anyone who calls the Spitfire crap is an un-informed jackass.... Even my spermatazoa know this...
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Maybe he needs a kick in the nuts!
Yes he did. He said that anyone who likes Spits, 109's and Lancs makes him go HMMMM!
That just shows me that the knowledge of aircraft he has is limited, either that or very very biased which gives him tunnel vision.
That just shows me that the knowledge of aircraft he has is limited, either that or very very biased which gives him tunnel vision.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Or, as I stated above, he's just a jackass...
We will see when he responds.....
We will. *Slaps curzondax*DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
LOL
Yes she is great aircraft, not my favorite but a good aircraft. I think CurzonDax does not like them because they are not made by the United States.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
After seeing those photos, all I gotta say is TALLEY HO!
Ho Boy!!! If I would have known that my comment in jest would have made so many so snarky I would have sticked to cutting down French bombers. Allrighty just to let ya all know I pray at the Corsair altar so much that my wife sometimes gets jealous. So please don't slap me, beat me, or make me fly in a French Bomber. I happen to be very fond of Spits (the first WWII plane I saw in person), have flown in a Lanc (at an airshow in Texas more years ago than I care to recollect), but sadly have never seen a Me-109 in flight, just the Spanish versions. These and all WWII aircraft changed history and I will never diminsh that fact.
I think we are all hard-core fans of a genre that is all but forgotten by many younger than us and to me this a great way to remember and preserve history. We all fanatical to our particular aircraft so if you were insulted, I apologize, if you got and accepted my joke, laugh, and if you were insulted but still laughed, then I applaud you sence of humor. Turn the page.
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I think we are all hard-core fans of a genre that is all but forgotten by many younger than us and to me this a great way to remember and preserve history. We all fanatical to our particular aircraft so if you were insulted, I apologize, if you got and accepted my joke, laugh, and if you were insulted but still laughed, then I applaud you sence of humor. Turn the page.
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FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
No sweat Dax - I rather be kicked in the nuts than fly on a french Bomber!
