Measles

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A huge outbreak of measels in Wales this weekend.
Unbelievable in 2013 and dangerous too..
40,000 MMR vaccines needed asap.
Blimey
John
 
That's what happens when people listen to silly celebrities instead of competent professionals. Thanks to noted deep thinkers like Jenny McCarthy, Alex Jones and the "Anti Vaccinine" campaign, we will be facing much the same here soon.
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Don't they vaccinate against MMR in the UK? It is standard in the US and Germany. I have always been vaccinated against all that stuff.
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They used to Chris, But the vaccine got a bad press and a lot of parents wouldn't take the risk.
Measles was supposed to be 'eradicated'...
My kids have had every vaccine going.
The next issue is BCG vaccines for tuberculosis....that's another one that has fallen of the end.
It'll be like the middle ages here soon.
 
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Like I said, Jenny McCarthy blames vaccines for her kid"s autism, instead of owning up to her own questionable behavior in her past. Alex Jones thinks that vaccines are a govt. control method. He also thinks that toothpaste is evil.
Seriously.
Toothpaste.
 
meatloaf109 said:
Like I said, Jenny McCarthy blames vaccines for her kid"s autism, instead of owning up to her own questionable behavior in her past. Alex Jones thinks that vaccines are a govt. control method. He also thinks that toothpaste is evil.
Seriously.
Toothpaste.
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Are they completely mad Paul?
 
I'm in the middle of this (and being a med student properly in the middle). Bit chaotic but its only going to get worse before it gets better just hope there aren't any fatalities.

At least at the moment I'm out of Swansea during the week so avoid most of the epidemic.

The reason for the outbreak is because of the report that was in the Lancet back in around 2002 that linked the MMR vaccine to Autism and resulted in a large drop in uptake. This has got the immunized level to below that need for 'herd immunity' and therefore we now have the outbreak.

The article and its writer have since been disproved and the article removed because of false data and false truth's but its affects are still ongoing...

BCG isn't given anymore routinely as the risk of TB is so much lower so they don't give it to school children. That being said I have been vaccinated against literally everything going but then they don't want the risk when you are working in the medical profession (and the rest I got for travelling).
 
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Sadly the Lancet was slow off the mark. The measles/autism research was discredited within a couple of years (2004) but it was 2010 before a full and complete retraction was published. This allowed unscrupulous journalists and even some in the medical profession to keep the story alive.
I heard this morning that there is now the first unconfirmed fatality in South Wales.

One contributing factor to the current outbreak in South Wales was the reaction of the local press to the original story. The local newspaper in particular did some serious scare mongering which unsurprisingly worried a lot of parents into not getting their youngsters vaccinated.
Some people on that paper at the time should be asking themselves some uncomfortable questions.

It was heartening to see many young teens who didn't receive the vaccine as nippers lining up to get theirs over the last few days.

Cheers

Steve
 
stona said:
Sadly the Lancet was slow off the mark. The measles/autism research was discredited within a couple of years (2004) but it was 2010 before a full and complete retraction was published. This allowed unscrupulous journalists and even some in the medical profession to keep the story alive.
I heard this morning that there is now the first unconfirmed fatality in South Wales.

One contributing factor to the current outbreak in South Wales was the reaction of the local press to the original story. The local newspaper in particular did some serious scare mongering which unsurprisingly worried a lot of parents into not getting their youngsters vaccinated.
Some people on that paper at the time should be asking themselves some uncomfortable questions.

It was heartening to see many young teens who didn't receive the vaccine as nippers lining up to get theirs over the last few days.

Cheers

Steve
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The press should Steve. I hope all the vaccinations are carried on nationwide as well.
Cheers
John
 
i'll weigh in on this as i have a dog in this fight. this is one of the areas like politics, religion, sports that people on either sides have dug in and are hard nosed about. i dont know about research done or not done....journalists sensationalizing and scaring the masses. all i know is what my grand daughter went through. born a normal child and everything progressed along the usual time tables. my daughter and son in law were diligent about getting check ups and shots. after the last round of shots they noticed a marked change in her demeanor although they never said anything to us. when they came to visit i couldnt help but notice there was something different about her and said so to my wife. we both thought it was some sort of ADHD or autism. unbeknownst to us my daughter and son-in-law took her to a specialist and did some testing. they tested for heavy metals....a test blue cross pays for unless you are looking for traces of mercury. it seems the vaccines now a days are processed or preserved with mercury. i will spare you the long version...but a couple years of detoxing and therapy and she is as normal as any other child. there are no residual after effects. this camp of people...at least the ones we are have association with....do not say NOT to inoculate but tell you to use the older style vaccine that is not process like the one commonly used. you can say what you will and you may be right. i know what my eyes have seen and i also know the medical community changes its mind quite often. but all my future grandchildren will be inoculated...but with a different vaccine.
 
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Yes...and we are supposed to be developed nations with erradicting certain diseases as one of our achievments.
Weighing up the risks to immunise or not is very hard and one that we agonised over with our 3 kids.
I hope the Welsh measles outbreak is contained and no lasting harm is done.
 
Well, it's six years later and we have a major outbreak of measles in Samoa which has already killed 62 people, mostly children under four. More remain in a critical condition.

At the moment it is thought that the disease was introduced by a traveller from New Zealand, a developed country whose citizens should all be vaccinated. There is no excuse for this sh*t, and people pay with their lives.

You might have a right not to be vaccinated, but I should have a right to say that in that case you won't be able to visit my country. Kill your own children.

Steve (pissed of with anti-science)
 
The Rubella virus is one of the most contagious agents known to man. People are contagious from 1 to 2 days before symptoms start and remain contagious for 7 to 10 days after the rash fades. Individuals have become infected an hour after visiting the same location (e.g.: Doctor's Office or an ER waiting room) that an infected person had been in and the two individuals had never come into contact with each other. Then we have particularly vulnerable people—children less than 12 months old, people with abnormal immune systems like those undergoing cancer treatment, who are unable to receive the vaccine, and whose bodies are not as able to fight off the infection.

While Measles in and of itself is seldom fatal it can cause pneumonia and encephalitis, which can be fatal. Pneumonia occurs in 6 percent of measles cases and is the most common cause of death. Neurologic infection is rare, occurring in only 1 out of 1000 measles cases, but with a much higher risk of permanent harm including death.

Following measles infection, there is a loss of immune memory that results in immunosuppression, which increases risk for mortality for up to three years after the measles infection. Additionally, rare but potentially fatal complications can occur after infection, including a demyelinating disease called Acute Disseminated EncephaloMyelitis (ADEM), which can occur two weeks after infection, and Subacute Sclerosing PanEncephalitis (SSPE), which typically occurs 7-10 years after infection.

The vaccine was introduced in 1967. In a study that looked at measles cases in the US between 1967 and 1985, they calculated that the vaccine prevented 5,200 deaths and 17,000 cases of mental retardation. So it's hardly a "common cold" benign illness. The problem is you can't tell for whom it's going to be a serious illness and for who it's not. Statistics show that 3 in 1,000 kids who get the measles will die. Those are pretty favorable odds for a single individual but if everyone is vaccinated, 0 out of 1,000 kids will die. Before the vaccine, there were 500 deaths a year in the US from measles, and now it's completely preventable. It is, simply put, a totally nonsensical risk for any parent to take for their child no matter what the odds PLUS the fact remains that your infected child now has the potential of becoming the agent whereby another child could die.
 
I've had rotten hearing all my life. My mother said it was caused by my older brother
having measles when I was a baby. Not sure if it is true but I wished they had had shots
back then.- John:(
 
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