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WHAT BLASPHEMY IS THIS?
Of course these things are true... what's your point?
The Spitfire in the movie "Dunkirk" pulled this feat while at less than 1,000 feet, it seemed to fly forever, and the pilot had plenty of time to hand-pump his gear down for a smooth beach landing. Highly improbable.I havnt seen the movie, but similarly unlikely attacks did happen. James Brindley Nicholson won a V.C. in the BoB for attacking a Bf110 while his Hurricane was on fire. Bob Doe continued an attack on a flight of Bf 109s after his engine cut out while FS Ray Holmes rammed a LW bomber over London.
As for shooting down a Stuka with a dead engine, I suppose it depends how fast and how high you are, I believe it was possible to get across the channel at its narrowest with an engine failure at 20,000ft.
That would have been the Spitfire Mk 25, specially produced for future movies, it served as a model for video games having unlimited fuel and ammunition.The Spitfire in the movie "Dunkirk" pulled this feat while at less than 1,000 feet, it seemed to fly forever, and the pilot had plenty of time to hand-pump his gear down for a smooth beach landing. Highly improbable.
I don't know of anyone who thought the Me 163 was overrated. I don't think it even rates. At least not anything more than an eyebrow raising curiosity.
An expensive roman candle? Yes. Probably the only aircraft more prone to self-immolation than a B-24 overloaded with fuel.
My two bobs worth about the great p-51 debate. With all respect to bill, I think the poor schmucks forced to fly missions over Germany in lumbering B-17s saw the P-51s escorting them as the angels on their shoulders. Before the escorts being able to fly all the way to the targets and back the bombers were dangerously exposed, and losses were unsustainable. Just look at the Schweinfurt raids and that comes out in spades.
Its too easy to forget the bloodletting inflicted on 8AF before the escorts arrived. It was because of the very real salvation provided by these escorts that the real benefits they provided were transformed by the hyperbole from the stuff of reality to the stuff of legend. It gets important for those guys whose lives depended on it.....
You can't put anything on the internet that isn't true?
It's a rather specific set of legal implications, as long as it glorifies the P-51 it's true, anything else is illegal...
I think that that only applies to non-German aircraft, which must be reported as technologically millennia more advanced than any other country's obsolete aircraft, which could have won only because of massive numerical superiority; the Allies were fighting with the aircraft equivalent to swords against the Luftwaffe armed with Star Trek phasers and photon torpedoes.It's a rather specific set of legal implications, as long as it glorifies the P-51 it's true, anything else is illegal...
Not really, there are some young people who think that the Spitfire was the only RAF fighter and reigned supreme throughout the war. Many modern news articles consider "Battle of Britain pilots", WW2 RAF fighter pilots and Spitfire pilots to be all the same thing. In that sense the Spitfire is over rated.
I believe it is a similar thing in USA but I am in no place to judge. The hard yards against the LW were done by the P51B/C but the P51D is much prettier, this is almost exactly the same as the Hurricane/Spitfire in the Battle of France and BoB. The poor old "bird cage Jug" was consigned to a darkened room of history until photos with a bubble canopy, polished alloy and nose art could be produced.
That's a little harsh on the Allison... P-38's seemed to do ok with them. The Soviets seemed to be happy with the P-39.I'd say everyone is missing the forest for the trees as its not a bird that is the most overrated POS, its an engine, one engine in particular...the USA Allison engine. Look at how many birds got crippled by that under powered POS, to this day I'm convinced there was some serious dirty dealing going on with that company, that someone HAD to be getting some kickbacks by how hard that engine was being pushed.
But if you want a particular bird? The P-40 because sadly with the exception of the Klimov P-40 the Russians tried they were crippled by Allison engines their entire run. Oh how I would love to take out a Klimov P-40 or see what it would have done with a Merlin in a sim, because the Allison engines? Yeah...no, just no.
I'd say everyone is missing the forest for the trees as its not a bird that is the most overrated POS, its an engine, one engine in particular...the USA Allison engine. Look at how many birds got crippled by that under powered POS, to this day I'm convinced there was some serious dirty dealing going on with that company, that someone HAD to be getting some kickbacks by how hard that engine was being pushed.
But if you want a particular bird? The P-40 because sadly with the exception of the Klimov P-40 the Russians tried they were crippled by Allison engines their entire run. Oh how I would love to take out a Klimov P-40 or see what it would have done with a Merlin in a sim, because the Allison engines? Yeah...no, just no.
I'd say everyone is missing the forest for the trees as its not a bird that is the most overrated POS, its an engine, one engine in particular...the USA Allison engine. Look at how many birds got crippled by that under powered POS, to this day I'm convinced there was some serious dirty dealing going on with that company, that someone HAD to be getting some kickbacks by how hard that engine was being pushed.
But if you want a particular bird? The P-40 because sadly with the exception of the Klimov P-40 the Russians tried they were crippled by Allison engines their entire run. Oh how I would love to take out a Klimov P-40 or see what it would have done with a Merlin in a sim, because the Allison engines? Yeah...no, just no.
I think that that only applies to non-German aircraft, which must be reported as technologically millennia more advanced than any other country's obsolete aircraft, which could have won only because of massive numerical superiority; the Allies were fighting with the aircraft equivalent to swords against the Luftwaffe armed with Star Trek phasers and photon torpedoes.
There was a P-40 variant with a Merlin. It was still beaten by, among others, the Mustang. The P-40 is under-rated, but it's still not spectacularly good.I'd say everyone is missing the forest for the trees as its not a bird that is the most overrated POS, its an engine, one engine in particular...the USA Allison engine. Look at how many birds got crippled by that under powered POS, to this day I'm convinced there was some serious dirty dealing going on with that company, that someone HAD to be getting some kickbacks by how hard that engine was being pushed.
But if you want a particular bird? The P-40 because sadly with the exception of the Klimov P-40 the Russians tried they were crippled by Allison engines their entire run. Oh how I would love to take out a Klimov P-40 or see what it would have done with a Merlin in a sim, because the Allison engines? Yeah...no, just no.
There was a P-40 variant of ith a Merlin. It was still beaten by, among others, the Mustang. The P-40 is under-rated, but it's still not spectacularly good.
The Allison was also quite solidly built and, overall, well-engineered. Allison was not, however, a big company and it did not have the resources that P&WA or Curtiss-Wright had on hand. There need not be corruption, but there was a powerful meme that high-performance aircraft needed V-12 engines.
Flying a "sim" gives what the sim designer wants you to see. The P40L and P40F had the Merlin engine. To have an advanced design you need an advanced airframe and an advanced engine. Putting a Merlin engine in a P40 didn't overcome the shortcomings of the P40 just as putting the latest Merlin in a Hurricane didn't make it a front line fighter, just better than it was before. If Curtis produced the P51A from 1941 then the Allison engine would have a much better reputation.But if you want a particular bird? The P-40 because sadly with the exception of the Klimov P-40 the Russians tried they were crippled by Allison engines their entire run. Oh how I would love to take out a Klimov P-40 or see what it would have done with a Merlin in a sim, because the Allison engines? Yeah...no, just no.
I guess by Middle East you mean the MTO? If the P-40 and the Hurricane thrived there, why was the the Spitfire sent there at all, rather than just belatedly?Certainly it and the Hurricane thrived in the Middle East where the Spit could be a pain in the ass.
Beat me to it a Merlin P40 was tested just as the Merlin P51 was tested however the former gained virtually no advantage whatsoever unlike the latter. Equally later the P40 was redesigned/re-engineered into one of the most beautiful looking prototypes of the war and it still couldn't compete with its contemporaries. Its innate aerodynamics and overall legacy design simply limited it too much to be anything but a decent supporting character but never the star. Which actually is a shame because it did stirling service in theatres where rugged reliability and reparability was more appreciated than supreme performance i.e. Middle East and Burma/China. Certainly it and the Hurricane thrived in the Middle East where the Spit could be a pain in the ass.