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Hi Davparlr,
>Tested boost 75 inches
As power data for 80" Hg accompanies the Mustang IV test, I just went ahead and tried to make (or actually made) some graphs for this power settings.
However, I found that these data points don't match the 67" Hg data points in a way that makes it likely that increasing boost after providing the correct fuel was the only change. I'm not sure, but the 80" Hg data looks a lot like the "Jumo 213 mit A-Lader als Bodenmotor" data, showing a Jumo 213 with increased boost and reduced compression ratio. Perhaps that's not just coincidence, but convergent evolution
Anyway, I proceeded more cautiously then and attempted to extrapolate power at 72" Hg from the data for 67" Hg. This went fairly well, and since 72" Hg is specifically mentioned in three quotes provided by Mike on his site, it's probably a good basis for a fair comparison to the F6F-5.
Here the graphs ...
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
Hi again,
- the source data just appears not to be perfectly coherent.
STANG..most definitly...Being able to break off combat at will is a bigger advantage then most think--I love leaving La7's and spitfires in the dust with my jug in il2, amids the catcalls of "Boom and zoom noob", and "You wimp TURN AND FIGHT"
I think a hellcat would only take a mustang in a low speed turnfight as the Stang's instability would probably do it in.
and sorry for the long Hiatus guys...good to see you guys are still at it in here
Mustangs were know to be a bit unstable, especially with fuel in the aft fuselage tank, witch im shure in a low speed turnfight would probably end with the mustang spinning in
FWIW, my vote is for the P-51 over the Hellcat. For the best of both types, it would be a P-51B/C versus the F6F-5.
The P-51 has the following advantages:
Level Speed
Diving Speed
Climb Rate
Roll Rate
They are equal in firepower for as long as it matters
The Hellcat has an edge in sustained turn.
I don't know which aircraft has better acceleration but with the climb rate advantage and power loading, the P-51 probably wins here as well. How can you win against someone who has every advantage except for low speed turns if he doesn't want to play your game? I don't think durability is enough.
- Ivan.
You are correct.What criteria do you use when comparing two very different aircraft? Appearance? A twin row Pratt Whitney 2800 radial engine vs. liquid cooled Rolls Royce? Hands down the Mustang was the looker. Top speed? Mustang. Climb rate? Hellcat. Durability? Hellcat. Combat proficiency? Hellcat. Why? A 19:1 kill ratio. Hellcats shot down 5163 enemy aircraft of all types with the loss of only 270 cats! The Mustang only achieved a 3.6:1 ratio. I suspect one reason the Mustang always out votes the competition is that it was the most produced American fighter of WW2, and it got its rep in the ETO (which for some reason was the more glamorous stage). Bottom line though is durability. Me thinks that over water be it the Pacific or Channel, the radial reliability of the Hellcat's Pratt Whitney (or a Jug's its ETO counterpart) would seal the deal for me. There were only about 4 thousand some odd more Mustangs produced than Hellcats during the war, but there were almost 10 times as many P-51's lost than F5F's!
What criteria do you use when comparing two very different aircraft? Appearance? A twin row Pratt Whitney 2800 radial engine vs. liquid cooled Rolls Royce? Hands down the Mustang was the looker. Top speed? Mustang. Climb rate? Hellcat. Durability? Hellcat. Combat proficiency? Hellcat. Why? A 19:1 kill ratio. Hellcats shot down 5163 enemy aircraft of all types with the loss of only 270 cats! The Mustang only achieved a 3.6:1 ratio.
As a first time poster - I greet you. But I would like to take the time to request your sources and direct me specifically to your Macr rollup that leads you to believe any ratio you want people to believe. The 8th AF Mustangs, for example destroyed 3328 LW a/c in the air, 3212 on the ground, lost 326 in air to air combat, lost 570 strafing - and including losses air/ground lost a total of 1280 "all in" meaning
air
strafe
mechanical
weather
pilot/accident
The latter 3 ("other") categories were 1280 - 326-570 = 384
So, the ranking of cause of loss would be Strafing, Other, Air to Air combat
I suspect one reason the Mustang always out votes the competition is that it was the most produced American fighter of WW2, and it got its rep in the ETO (which for some reason was the more glamorous stage).
Who knows what your definition of Glamorous is - but Germany and the Luftwaffe was a threat to the world - Japan was not. Mustangs dribbled out to the PTO because the Strategic air mission over Germany was far more important than the Far East. The Luftwaffe was a far more formidable force than the IJN and IJA in any category you wish to look at except number of aircraft that flew off carriers.
Bottom line though is durability. Me thinks that over water be it the Pacific or Channel, the radial reliability of the Hellcat's Pratt Whitney (or a Jug's its ETO counterpart) would seal the deal for me. There were only about 4 thousand some odd more Mustangs produced than Hellcats during the war, but there were almost 10 times as many P-51's lost than F5F's!