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"On February 28, 1945, the Luftwaffe High Command examined the various Emergency Fighter proposals and selected the Ta 183 to be developed and produced. Sixteen prototypes were to be built, allowing the tail unit to be interchanged between the Design II and III variations. Of the Versuchs (experimental test series) aircraft the Ta 183 V1-V3 were to be powered by the Jumo 004B turbojet, pending delivery of the He S 011 jet engine. The Ta 183 V4-V14 were 0-series preproduction aircraft and V15-V16 were to be static test aircraft. The first flight of the aircraft was projected for May 1945 but none were completed by April 8, 1945, when British troops captured the Focke-Wulf facilities."
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"On Febuary 27 and 28, 1945, the Emergency Fighter Competition conference was held by the OKL (High Command of the Luftwaffe), and the Ta 183 was chosen to be developed and produced. There were to be sixteen Versuchs (experimental test series) aircraft: the Ta 183 V1-V3 to be powered by the Jumo 004B turbojet, pending delivery of the He S 011 jet engine, the Ta 183 V4-V14 as 0-series preproduction aircraft and V15-V16 as static test aircraft. The maiden flight of the first aircraft was planned for May/June of 1945, and was to test both the Design II and Design III tail configuration. The first production aircraft were scheduled to be completed by October 1945, but no examples of the Ta 183 were completed because on April 8, 1945 British troops captured the Focke-Wulf facilities."
Thank you that is what every book in my library on the subject says as well. Sources are wrong though because someone else has read something different.
Ofcourse we all know as Morai so kindly put out for us that things dont work out that way.
I believe the 2 wing mounted engines would enhance aerobatics with a competent pilot by adjusting power on one engine . qoute from wiki about Janusz ŻurakowskiI think the p-80 had a little preformance advantage over the 262. The 2 engines of the 262 must have affected the roll rate and turn radius etc. The mk 108 was also pretty slow firing, and I think this is pretty crucial in a dog fight were planes go from one side to another in a split second.
On the other hand, the germans had allready used the 262 for 3/4 of a year when the first 2 p-80 came to europe, so german jet pilots had practised. They knew the strenghts and weaknesses of their jets in combat. The americans still had to learn this.
So I think that the first dogfights would have been won by the 262, but its pure guessing work.
Tom
PB, youre forgetting that those early jet engines on the -262 flamed out due to them being extremely sensitive to quick throttle changes.
Differential thrust wouldnt work on the -262 because of this.
QUOTE] I didn't say it wasn't going to be more interesting
aerobatics wasn't the 262's strength and I believe the P80 morphed into the T33 which was highly aerobatic
The 262 has the advantage in the top speed and probably dive speed.
Any twin, jet or recip with engines slung under the wing will experience differental thrust and can actually be flown with varying throttle inputs. On a "production" -262 however I'd rather tame cobras than try it.Differential thrust wouldnt work on the -262 because of this.
Any twin, jet or recip with engines slung under the wing will experience differental thrust and can actually be flown with varying throttle inputs. On a "production" -262 however I'd rather tame cobras than try it.
Yeah I remember the P38 thread on that but just thought I'd hilight it with the Meteor tale. Also I think I'd prefer to be in the P80 with a flame outAny twin, jet or recip with engines slung under the wing will experience differental thrust and can actually be flown with varying throttle inputs. On a "production" -262 however I'd rather tame cobras than try it.
Jackson said:The Me-262s were then shipped to the US on the Royal Navy "jeep" carrier HMS REAPER for further evaluation at Wright Field in Ohio. The tests there included a competitive fly-off against a Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star jet fighter that demonstrated the general superiority of the Me-262.
The link I gave discusses German fears of the B-29 and it's rush into production.
The tests there included a competitive fly-off against a Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star jet fighter that demonstrated the general superiority of the Me-262.