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wmaxt said:The P-51 was a competant fighter that had numerical superiorority over a diminished enemy. The P-51 smothered the German fighters more than out fought them. Very Overrated.
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syscom3 said:When you make a list of all the factors that make up a fighter, the P51 was good in enough of them to make it overall, a high quality aircraft. Best in all catagories? No. Good in all of the catagories? YES!
syscom3 said:Was there some glaring defect in the plane that made it substandard? Or are the Spit and 109/190 fans jealous that the range of the Mustang enabled it to fly to where the action was when those other planes were on the ground refueling?
plan_D said:The P-38 didn't keep the daylight raids alive.
The P-38 was more expensive to build, harder to fly and harder to build. It wasn't a good war weapon.
No, during World War II life was cheap. It was the cheapest in the Soviet Union and Germany but it was still cheap in the Western Democracy. Which they did and there was more to their air force because there was a nice easy plane to build, the P-51.
Entering combat at a higher speed than your opponent is a distinct advantage. The P-51 entered combat on the advantage almost everytime, even if it was on it's own. But, you're right, it smothered it's enemy and the ability to do so was from the fact that the plane was cheap and easy to build.
The pilots like the P-38 better but who cares what they say? It's the production that'll win the war, they're just the middle-man. # for $ wins wars, not turning circles.
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:I just think it is funny, especially after he made that dumb comment. Most fans (again I said most of us) of the 109/190/152 accept the faults that they had because they know that no plane is perfect, but Mustang fans like himself, who think that the 51 was the greatest thing since bread and butter, believe that it had no faults and was the greatest thing.
Each aircraft was good at somethings and bad at others. Some people dont seem to realize this especially the guys who live by the P-51.
Do I think the 51 is crap. NO! It was a great plane. Was it remarkable. NO! Was the Bf-109 remarkable? NO! Was the Fw-190 remarkable? NO! Well actually each of these planes is remarkable in its own way.
Now can we please get back to the point of this thread?
wmaxt said:plan_D said:....Also the P-38 was Second sourced in Jan '45 a YEAR after the P-51s wmaxt
I didnt think the P38 was second sourced at all. Some people called it a criminal act for not to second source the P38 back in 1942, and instead put money and effort into P40's and P39's.
syscom3 said:wmaxt said:plan_D said:....Also the P-38 was Second sourced in Jan '45 a YEAR after the P-51s wmaxt
I didnt think the P38 was second sourced at all. Some people called it a criminal act for not to second source the P38 back in 1942, and instead put money and effort into P40's and P39's.
Consolidated-Vultee built 113 L models in '45. They had done some parts before that so it was a natural.
I agree with that. The WPB also nixed the K model and the unified engine controls that would have really extended the high speed cruise, not to mention simplified the cocpit helping new pilots a bunch.
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syscom3 said:wmaxt, youre right. C-V built some P38's at their Nashville plant. I had forgot about them. Than ks for reminding me.
Im looking at my P38 book. They were P38L-5-VN, tail numbers 43-50226 through 43-50338. I dont have any delivery dates for them. Ayone know? The book has a big blank on delivery date for this batch.