lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Training schools...
P51D/K vs Me109K-14
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Soundbreaker Welch?
Tech Sergeant
Interesting how the poll has turned out a bit uncertain as to which one is tops.
Me 109 K4 better then P51 D? I am doubt about that.
As you now, Me 109 had a engine with 2 stage compresor and P 51 D had a 4 stage compresor. Me 109 could flight at 10.000 meter altitude maxim, altough P51 D came over 11.500 meter - it has supercharger. That mean match engine power (speed cumulated)
As you now, Me 109 had a engine with 2 stage compresor and P 51 D had a 4 stage compresor. Me 109 could flight at 10.000 meter altitude maxim, altough P51 D came over 11.500 meter - it has supercharger. That mean match engine power (speed cumulated)
loomaluftwaffe said:
As Les said training schools, and some were still used in front line service. For instance II/SG 1 still used Bf-109E-7/B in Stalingrad in 1943.
bogy said:
And the K-4 used MW-50 and reach 727kmh without a supercharger.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
You need to read some of the threads in information provided in this thread. many other aircraft OUTPERFORMED the P-51 including many German aircraft. Turn off Discovery Wings for a few hours and read some of the threads before shooting off your mouth....ricardox said:
FLYBOYJ said:
Thanks Joe,
I have this gag reflex that bugs me when people always just say " P-51 was best fighter in WW2". Its a pet peeve, it drives me crazy. Most times (99%) they have no idea what they are talking about, like you say they have just watched too many TV shows. P-51 was a great plane for the role that it preformed (aka long range escort fighter). Thats what he should of said.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Yep!!!
Erich
the old Sage
sorry to say this ........... but ............ polls like this are absoloutely worthless. Putting in the hands of test pilots at wars end will give you the tech graphs you so desire but not under actual combat experiences which during late war for the Luftw. is hard enough as they were only interested in surviving and not noting just how nimble the P-51D or K or ? was . It is all up to pilot skill who will come out on top
Ricardox is working himself to getting band without even starting off in this forum.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Im with u Erich, and I have stated years ago that these threads are all guessing and hypotheticals... Its all bout the guy strapped in....
And for the record, the P-51D was not the best fighter of WW2......
And for the record, the P-51D was not the best fighter of WW2......
Yeah but they can make for interesting conversations.
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
For some people maybe....
loomaluftwaffe
Tech Sergeant
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that poor little Mustang noob....
Your still a noob...
Dragon Ace
Recruit
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Just a noob putting in another two cents worth, but I've always said that in a dogfight, it's seventy-five percent the pilot and twenty-five percent the aircraft. That's without factoring in conditions of how the fight comes about.
Either way, it'd be one helluva fight to have filmed, eh? 8)
Either way, it'd be one helluva fight to have filmed, eh? 8)
And I would agree with you for the most part, unless you are talking Bf-109G vs. P-26. Then pilot skill does not factor that much because the Peashooter is going down.
I have heard of Bong (I think it was anyway) who managed to stay on the tail of a P-38 in a T-6 and the P-38 pilot couldn't shake him...
davparlr
Senior Master Sergeant
I am still bugged by the continuous desire to compare the P-51D to aircraft that came out a year or more after it and that probably were specifically designed to to combat it. That was a generation of aircraft design in those prolific days. It is like comparing the F-4 to the F-15. I have read many good dicsussions on the comparisons of the P-51 to the P-38, F4U, FW190D (although the F4U-4 and 190D were a good six months after the P-51D). Comparing it to a K4 is not relevant. Most of these advance aircraft barely made it into the air, much less into the war. Please keep the sides equal.
Also, the P-51K performed less than the D. I think the orginator meant the P-51H.
Also, the P-51K performed less than the D. I think the orginator meant the P-51H.
