Viking1066
Chief Master Sergeant
Nakajima B5N1 type 97 model 1 'AI-308' IJN Akagi May 1941 AGAAI
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Viking1066
Chief Master Sergeant
Curtiss P-40-CUs and P-36As of the 33rd PS Langley Field 1940 USACA
SaparotRob
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Snautzer01
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cammerjeff
Staff Sergeant
I believe I see the XB-15 and at least 1 B-23 to go along with the B-18's
SaparotRob
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Jiminy! You're right! I totally missed the B-23. I was distracted looking for the B-17s. I'm having trouble making out fine details. I was looking for the pimple on the nose.
The B-15 is on the right, right?
The B-15 is on the right, right?
What an amazing picture!!!!
Snautzer01
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No it isnt, there are an awfull lot of magazines that carried these kind of reportages.
This is i think a wire picture, a fax avant le lettre.
The real negs of some survived and come to eBay now and again.
special ed
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Also both B-18 AND B-18A.
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Unexpected bloodshed in Bataan.
After occupation of Manila in early January 1942, Imperial GHQ ordered 48th division and 5th flight group to shift toward DEI immediately as they thought that Philippine campaign was almost over. They estimated the number of Joint U.S.-Filipino Army retreated into Bataan would be around 20,000 at most. Two battalions of the 16th division and the 65th brigade were ordered to wipe out the enemies in Bataan but they were to face deadly battle with invisible 80,000 in the jungle.
Source: History of Showa-era (一億人の昭和史・日本の戦史 8・太平洋戦争 2)(Dec.1978)
After occupation of Manila in early January 1942, Imperial GHQ ordered 48th division and 5th flight group to shift toward DEI immediately as they thought that Philippine campaign was almost over. They estimated the number of Joint U.S.-Filipino Army retreated into Bataan would be around 20,000 at most. Two battalions of the 16th division and the 65th brigade were ordered to wipe out the enemies in Bataan but they were to face deadly battle with invisible 80,000 in the jungle.
Source: History of Showa-era (一億人の昭和史・日本の戦史 8・太平洋戦争 2)(Dec.1978)
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Interesting fact on fax machines. Jules Verne had them as a common household feature in one of his books, Paris in the Twentieth Century, written in 1863.
The reason he wrote about them was that they had already been invented and were in use at the time he wrote the book. British patent 9745 on May 27, 1843 being the first fax.
Needless to say they had many names before being commonly called faxes and all those "pictures by wire" that were common in newspapers from the 1920s to 1970's were faxes.
cammerjeff
Staff Sergeant
Correct it is the bigger plane behind the last B-17 on the right. I think it is a great picture, showing what we would have had available in 1939/1940.
SaparotRob
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BTW. I was referring to the blister on the nose of a B-17-B when I wrote I was looking for the "pimple".
Yes, yes it is amazing. Why? Because I say so. Come to my world. We have beer and pizza.
Viking1066
Chief Master Sergeant
And some tequila please!!
Viking1066
Chief Master Sergeant
Manshu Ki-79 type 2 special 113rd Shinbu Special Attack Unit June 1945 PINT
Viking1066
Chief Master Sergeant
One of two Douglas O-29s 1929 USAC
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Another new one for me. Before I joined the Forum, I had no idea that Japan had fielded so many different planes.
Some of you have a lot more confidence in the accuracy of the "official records" kept by combatants than I do.
I, myself, on orders, was in on a scheme to falsify records just so our inventory ( munitions) reflected what we actually had.
Me and 2 other enlisted men worked a frantic about 40 hours to make fake documents that would back up the actual inventory of what we had.
I've often wondered who would have been charged if the fraud have been discovered .
Another unit in Germany at about the same time somehow ended up with a Hawk missile and trailer that they had no paperwork for.
Their solution was to bury it, literally .
The secret, didn't stay secret, and a few officers went to Leavenworth stockade for a few years.
This event I was envolved in occured in the early 70's , so I guess I'm safe now.
But to me "official military records" is a contradiction in terms.
I, myself, on orders, was in on a scheme to falsify records just so our inventory ( munitions) reflected what we actually had.
Me and 2 other enlisted men worked a frantic about 40 hours to make fake documents that would back up the actual inventory of what we had.
I've often wondered who would have been charged if the fraud have been discovered .
Another unit in Germany at about the same time somehow ended up with a Hawk missile and trailer that they had no paperwork for.
Their solution was to bury it, literally .
The secret, didn't stay secret, and a few officers went to Leavenworth stockade for a few years.
This event I was envolved in occured in the early 70's , so I guess I'm safe now.
But to me "official military records" is a contradiction in terms.
Zippythehog
Staff Sergeant
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I think first person accounts, like yours, carry more weight than official archival information. These events all happened long ago and we really don't have much else on which to base our understanding of the events. We all want to relate and portray events as accurately as possible.
