You could not finish your second one. I could not finish the first.
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You could not finish your second one. I could not finish the first.
hehe, it's 3 times, 1870/71 Paris taken by German states, mostly Prussia, the romoval of France as a threat unites Germany- WWI Germans stopped 30 miles short of Paris, it's the Marne river that stops them, the French spent the rest of the war on the defensive after the mutiny and it's left to the British to clean up,
that's along with our victories in the middle east and the naval blockade , i think you got a pretty good deal out of us! and Paris again taken in WWII, why didn't you learn a lesson first time around? and don't talk to me about Napoleon, incase your garlic eating teachers were too biased to mention this, it was us that beat him, on our own infact, and we had the largest empire the world has ever seen, we controlled 1/4 of the world.s surface and 1/3 of the population (unless i've gotten that the wrong way around) but either way,
it's bigger than anything the French ever got, and whilst we were industrialising you guys were still back in the dark ages,
so don't even try that one, and the comment about us having won no wars on our own is laughable, we have fought and won all over the world and have been doing so for many a year now...........
Vichy France was given more autonomy but ultimately there were a captured territory, infact after we bought back thousands of French soldiers off Dunquirke, they simply went back to Vichy France, wasn't that nice of them! and surrendering is having your country taken, "no no, we weren't captured, we surrendered" is laughable.........
This is about the only thing that stood out.... The "we'll pay for it in the future" part is extremely hilarious.... Are the French going to sell Nuclear Munitions to the "bad guys" in the future oh Nostradamus???Janus said:this is a proof that this is not a forum for educated people and what you only do is fuel and encourage the rest of the world , not only the French , to HATE you , and you will pay it in the future
Oh, and by the way, this little quip gets u another official warning for being a smartass knowitall frog lover.... Now ur up to 8 warning points outta 10...Janus said:this is a proof that this is not a forum for educated people
Bullshit the French in clearly inferior numbers had the front stabilized in 1917 thanks to a hard fough war , they fought very well actually given their numerical inferiority ,and their aviator were better than yours ... and it's not the Marne river you ignorant FOOL , it's the episode of the Taxis of the Marne whe,nthey manage to get Hundred Thousand of soldiers in time to block the Germans . Ignorant .
Yes i know , you always attack the weak and divided people through history , recent history is no different , that 's why the Germans called you "Neidische Albion" , the cowards that attack only the indigens and weak , and that never won a major won Alone , always through alliances , had you had Land borders with Germany , you would have been destroyed even easily .
But indeed you can flatter your national ego with having defeated the Scots , the Irish , and the Indians etc.. Well done !
By the way , STFU , i ain't French , I'm Russian and proud to be , married to a French and living in Paris , i own that nationality now , and let me say you one thing , without my people , you' d speak German today , and We Kicked their F.. arse in case you don't know and more than once , just like the French crushed them in early 19th Century for more than 15 years , not just 4 , and defeated Otto in the 12th and later on gave them other major defeats , the first German victory against France occured 9 century after France was born ...
Not that bigger , and your indutrialization was made possible thanks also to French scientists and German scientist , 30 years in nothing in history , especially at the time , besides , it never prevented them to pioneers and good inventors in science , philospphy and military material (or is the inventor of Nobel , raidocativity finder , penicilin , or Pasteur , Lavoisier English ? you moron , there are about thousands case to quote , you don't equal them in that regards , especially the Germans , the French contribution to Western civilisation is at least equalt to yours ....)
You never won any war alone you mediocre moron , you got your butt kicked in the Hundred Wars , you won a few battles against a divided France , once they united , they kicked your arse badle at Formigny and Castillon , you got owned , under Louis XIV , they kicked your arse again , everything you tried failed against them at the time , their country was the most powerful militarily , under Napoleon they kicked you arse again for 2 decades , until you got whole Europe to find under your banneer and they lost more because of lack of troops , unity and support , their troups were exhausted to fight against the whole Europe throughout 15 years , same happened to the Germans in WWII , may i remind you that we Russians were the first to defeat him convincingly and ALONE .
By the way don't mention WWI , because your contribution next to France and USA is ridiculous , not to mention that this war was started Mainly because of you British scum politicians , Germans were far more motivated to beat you than the French , the French were closer that's all .
It's funny that some Nazi nostalgic in this forum side with you , you were their worst ennemy by the way , but today many simple minded get interested and in love with Nazi Germany when they actually don't know **** about what really NSDAP was , only thing they like in it is race hierarchy , miltarist and warmongers ideals , not talking about their anti-Jew racism , but their political stance , especially against the Albions hiding on tehir island waiting for Mother USA to save them , apparently have been forgotten .
You brought back SHITE , you FLED in 1940 , your soldiers were afraid , whilst the French were rushing to the front , you the English were trying to embark at Calais and Dunkerk .... the French fought with you , side by side , you didn't , you fled ...
By the way , might you understand in your small mind , that in France before 1940 , about 40% of the population was right-wing and pro-German , and were actually trying to institute a dictature of this sort , you have to take this into consideration when you speak about surrender , if you have the slightest idea of what is it to suffer a modern war on your own territory and have troops that are unmotivated and divided by politics .
It's not my country btw , what is laughable is your arrogance based on the fact that strangers saved your ass , now you take advantage of it to insult other people that are friendly toward yours . By the way one of this stranger was USA , and France send thousands of soldiers under Lafayette to help Americans get their indepedance , and sold many huge territories to them , today you can see the Statue of Liberty , a France gift to America .
Anyhow , i don't answer to your other xenophobic but especially ignorant BS , you have the same understanding of history as a 6 years old , so i leave it to you to have a selctive memory and puke some incomplete notions of history that suits your hate .
What is really incredible , the real point of this thread , is that external people will see how this forum and his moderator give me warnings , while they let someone openly spray his ignorance , that doesn't even know basics of Aviation history , but especially openly shout his racists stance s with real impunity , this is a proof that this is not a forum for educated people and what you only do is fuel and ecnourage the rest of the world , not only the French , to HATE you , and you will pay it in the future , but you'll probably not see it nor have the ability to understand it . I leave with this last message , there is no interest whatsoever to speak with people like this .
Cheers moron .
For your knowledge , the French Air Force did extremely well in WWII , they shot down more German planes in the air than they actually lost , more than 70% of the planes they lost was on the ground , read the figures ... .
They had to face a full strength Luftwaffe with inferior planes and huge numerical inferiority , i am not talking about the small Afrikakorps detachment that made British forces flee for 1 thousands kilometers while in overwhelming numerical superiority ... or the few dozens of submarines that nearly made you starve ... talking about full strength German army , not just small and poorly trained garnisons on the normandie shores with a couple of planes ... In 1940 , Germany is the strongest army in the world , in 1941 they are knocking at Moscow doors , from Crimea , Greece , Africa to France and Norway .. they conqueered all Europe .. after that German army is scattered everywhere and far weaker .
You make fun of French , but their biggest sin was to have land borders with Germany , and not safe on an island , had it been your people , it would have been even worse , seeing how British troops were fleeing at Calais in June 1940 , more concerned about going back to UK than help the French to fight .... and France wasn't as vast and unconqueerable as USSR , nor as much populated and militarised (Stalinism ) to sustain a long war effort .
Germany as a totalitarian regime , could field 7 millions men to attack USSR , France as a democracy where people are free , could field at best 1 million men in 1940 , it was also the first time the Blitzkrieg tactics were used .
Extract from The Big Show bt Pierre Clostermann DFC
Leading a flight of 8 when attacking German airbase 1945.
The plan was for 8 Typhoons with rockets to go in 1st and engage the flack followed by a Tempest beat up of the airfield
The Typoons couldnt make it
"Smell of flowers!" Came Bay Adams voice mockingly in the earphones. Flack! Christ what Flack! The entire surface of the airfield seemed to light up from 20mm and 37mm guns. There must have been at least 40 of them. A carpet of white puffs spread out below us and the black puffs of the 37mm stood out in regular strings of 8.
What flack! Physical fear is the most terrible thing man can suffer- my heart leapt to my mouth, I was covered with sweat, with sticky, clammy sweat. My clenched toes swam in my boots.
We dived desprately into the smoke...explosions and tracer to left and right crossing over and under us..bangs round our wings and sinister dazzling flashes.
We were a mile from the perimeter 150 feet from the ground. Men were running hither and thither.
"Lower for christs sake" I yelled hysterically. The broad expanse of grass, carved by the grey runways tilited up before my eyes and rushed towards me. We were doing over 450mph. 1st a hanger a browser then the messerschmitts perched clumsily on thier narro undercarts, about 30 of them, with men crouching under the wings. To far to the left out of my line of fire.
A group of a dozen Arados loomed up in my sight. I fired, I fired frantically, my thumb jammed on the button. my shells formed a ribbon of explosion worming its way between the Arados, climbing up the fuselage, hitting the engines...smoke..one of the planes exploded just as I was over it, and my Tempest was tossed up by the burning gust. A Tempest touched the ground and the fuselage bounded up in a shower of fragments of smashed eings and tail planes.
More hangers in fromt of me. I fired a 2nd burst-it exploded on the galvenised iron doors and the steel stanchions.
"Look out Red 2" My no 2 was coming straight for me, out of control at terrific speed. His hood had gone. At 470 mph 20 yards to my right he went smack into a flack tower cutting it in two underneath the platform,
A wooden frame blew into the air. A cluster of men hanging on to a gun collapsed into space. The Tempest crashed on the edge of the field, furrowing through a group of little houses, with a terrific flash of light the engine had come adrift in a whirlwind of flames and fragments scattered in the sky.
It was all over...almost..1...2..3..the tracer bullets were pursuing me..I lowered my head and hunched myself up behind my rear plating..12..13...14..I was going to cheat... a salvo of 37 burst so close that I only got the flash of the explosions without seeing the smoke...splinters hailed down on my fuselage...19..20! I pulled the stick back and climbed straight up into the sky. The flack kept on.
I glanced back towards Schwerin, just visible under my tail plane. A 1000 feet below a Tempest was climbing in zig zags, the tracers stubbonly pursuing him. Fires near the hangers, columns of greasy smoke, a firework display of expolding magnesium bombs. The lone Tempest caught me up, waggled its wings and formed line abreast.
"Hallo Filmstar aircraft reform south of target, angels 10"
"Hallo Pierre, Red 3 here. You know, I think the rest have had it!"
Surely Bay couldnt be right! I scanned the 360 degrees of the horizon, and the teriffic pyramid of flack bursts above Schwerin right up inot the clouds, hanging in the still air. No one.
13.04 hours. We had attacked at 13.03 hours. The nightmare had lasted perhaps 35 seconds from the beginning of our dive and we had lost 6 of 8 aircraft.