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My suggestion was for a dedicated ground attack version to be built as a substitute for the Typhoon in a "what if" scenario to show that the Typhoon was not really irreplaceable. The Typhoon not getting bomb racks until Sept/Oct of 1942. It didn't get rockets until a year later so comparing late 1943 Typhoons to 1941 and early 1942 Spitfires would show them at a disadvantage.The usual Spitfire (engines Merin 45 or 50) was not allowed for +18 psig boost, like it was the case for the low level variants with cropped S/C (engines with 'M' suffix). But even with +16 psig, Spitfire V will still do 370 mph, give or take; that is with 'kidney' exhausts, ice guard, and historical fit & finish. Pressure carb might add some speed, though.
That may be true but there were only about 500 Typhoons built by Sept of 1942. Average production being around 42 a month obviously lower in 1941. There just weren't that many in the first year. By August of 1942 for example I believe there were 4 Squadrons of MK IX Spits and 4 Squadrons of Mustangs operating.Low level Spit V, decent as it was, was still slower than Typhoon at low level by 20+ mph. Fw 190A falls between the two there. Low level Spit is just another P-40 or P-39 prior mid-1943, performance-wise. If even that much.
Carrying 3x250 lbs bombs means something must be removed from Spitfire, and we still did haven't added additional armor or installed full 4 cannons. That have had less rpg than Typhoons historically. Rate of roll, already not that good, also takes a dip with weight added away from centreline. Typhoon, P-39/40 and Fw 190 at least can roll fast as speed goes up.
A Modified plane, using the MK V as a base (early MK IXs were MK V airframes and early MK XIIs with Griffons were MK V airframes)Four 250 lbs bombs, or twice the max bomb load - chances are slim to none, and Slim has already left the town. Spitfire V's max bomb load was 500 lbs even in 1944.
Use the larger top fuselage tank and stick in the wing leading edge tanks. 123 Imp gallons capacity like a MK VIIIFuel: 84 gals/1510 HP = 0.0556; 154/2050=0.0751. Typhoon has 35% more fuel per installed HP (emergency power) than Spitfire V.
The table does point to another interesting situation. Like what the Spitfires were actually doing?
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What if the U.S. Navy decided to eliminate the Torpedo Bombers entirely and focus instead on Dive Bombers and fighters as their main compliment?
There was no comparable specialisation of Spitfire units.
Once the technology allowed, there was a change in the ratio of bombers to fighters on US carriers, with VBF squadrons flying Hellcats and Corsairs. This also helped combat the Kamikaze. At the start of the war there wasn't a carrier based fighter bomber.
Hey! Wait a second! VMF 211 flew 1200 HP F4F-3s at Wake Island and sank destroyer Kisaragi and damaged several other ships on 11 Dec 1941 dropping 100 lb. bombs. The light frag bombs used by the Navy at Lea and Salamaua, 10 Mar 1942, were considered a waste of effort.Actually there was. The F4F could carry a 100lb bomb under each wing. The Grumman F3F Biplane could carry a 116lb bomb under each wing. Granted 100lb bombs are not ship killers but then there is only so much you can do with 900-1000hp engines.
It wasn't so much as a "change in technology", it was a shift in mission profile.Once the technology allowed, there was a change in the ratio of bombers to fighters on US carriers, with VBF squadrons flying Hellcats and Corsairs. This also helped combat the Kamikaze. At the start of the war there wasn't a carrier based fighter bomber.
It wasn't so much as a "change in technology", it was a shift in mission profile.
The dive bombers still provided a much needed service in pinpoint strikes against Japanese positions, but as the Japanese surface fleet dwindled, the need for dive bombers and torpedo bombers became less of a priority.
As far as "technology" goes, even the Curtiss SOC (introduced 1935) could carry up to 650 pounds of bombs.
Well, very few air forces bought planes they thought they didn't need. There was almost always some reason behind the purchase.Generally aircraft were ordered because they were needed, the problem was that what the various services thought they needed was not what was really required. At a higher, even doctrinal level many questions (who would protect the Navy's ships? How could an independent air arm support the Army?, even more fundamentally, what was an independent air arm for? Simply waging a srtategic campaign?) were not properly resolved.
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Steve
I think it was both, change in operational need and technical advancement of the new generation fighters, with the introduction of the Hellcat and Corsair.
The F4F used as a bomber would not have sunk 4 carriers at Midway.
I think the only Pre-War fighter that could meet end of War multi role combat requirements for range, load carrying, was the P-38.
The Battle also seems to illustrate the divide between the real role of the RAF and what was actually needed. Army support would be provided by whatever semi-obsolete aircraft the RAF could scrounge up to supplement the state of the art Lysander, while the RAF went on with it's true mission of bombing the enemy homeland into submission.
This is true, there was certainly concern with the R-3350 but what is baffling is that the B-32 had the same engine, so was the risk reduced?The B-29 program was pushing the limits of technology of the day in a wide range of areas, including the engines. They even had the XB-39 in the works (re-engined B-29) in the event that the R-3350 engines were a failure. So the B-32 was a fallback. While it did not see significant action in the war, it would have been one of the few aircraft capable of carrying nuclear bombs at the time. The B-17 and B-24 also lacked the range of the B-29 with comparable loads.
The P-75: Can you picture the Sales team at GM talking to the USAAF: we're going graft the empennage of a dive bomber (SBD), wings of a fighter ( P-40) , undercarriage of a carrier fighter (F4U) and arrange the V-3420 engine (still has some kinks to be worked out) like the P-39 and build a high performance long range fighter. But there was a war on, and we needed thousands of planes, hindsight is 20-20.