Potential China military base in Solomons

nuuumannn · Oct 22, 2023

Shinpachi said:
China money is said running out.

The government maybe, but the Belt and Road policy also relies heavily on proxy wealthy individuals who act on behalf of the CCP to further Chinese interests.

"She also stressed the importance of allowing companies and the market to determine what to do, as economic viability holds the key to their success."

From here: an article that stresses international cooperation in fulfilling the initiative.

http://english.www.gov.cn/news/top_news/2015/07/27/content_281475155504560.htm

This is informative, if not a bit propagandistic. Useful for an insight into Chinese policy thinking.

http://english.www.gov.cn/beltAndRoad/

GrauGeist · Oct 22, 2023

Thumpalumpacus said:
Slightly off-topic but related:

A Philippine supply boat collided on Sunday with a China Coast Guard vessel attempting to block it during an operation to resupply the grounded LST BRP Sierra Madre (LS57) at Second Thomas Shoal in the disputed Spratly Islands.
A Philippine Coast Guard patrol vessel was also bumped by a Chinese Maritime Militia during the mission, according to a Sunday statement from the Philippines' National Task Force for the West Philippine Sea.

The incident occurred at 6:04 a.m., according to the statement, which blamed China Coast Guard Vessel 5203's blocking maneuvers for a collision with the Armed Forces of the Philippines-contracted resupply boat Unaiza May 2 at approximately 13.5 nautical miles east-northeast of the Sierra Madre.

"The provocative, irresponsible, and illegal action of CCGV 5203 imperiled the safety of the crew of Unaiza May 2," read the statement.

During the resupply mission, Philippine Coast Guard patrol vessel BRP Cabra (MRRV-4409)'s port side was bumped by Chinese Maritime Militia vessel 00003 at 8:14 a.m. while it was lying approximately 6.4 nm northeast of Second Thomas Shoal, according to the statement. The resupply mission was still ongoing, the statement added, with Unaiza May 1 successfully resupplying the Sierra Madre and personnel stationed there.

"The National Task Force for the West Philippine Sea (NTF-WPS) condemns in the strongest degree the latest dangerous, irresponsible, and illegal actions of the CCG and the Chinese Maritime Militia done this morning, in violation of Philippine sovereignty, sovereign rights and jurisdiction and in utter blatant disregard of the United Nations Charter, the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (COLREGS) and relevant international maritime conventions, and the 2016 Arbitral Award" concluded the statement.

China Coast Guard Vessel Collides with Filipino Supply Ship in South China Sea - USNI News

A Philippine supply boat collided on Sunday with a China Coast Guard vessel attempting to block it during an operation to resupply the grounded LST BRP Sierra Madre (LS57) at Second Thomas Shoal in the disputed Spratly Islands. A Philippine Coast Guard patrol vessel was also bumped by a Chinese...

news.usni.org

The USN just retired the USS Mobile Bay (CG-53), bet the Philippine Navy could use that to "bump" back...

SaparotRob · Oct 22, 2023

Is USS Wisconsin available?

GrauGeist · Oct 23, 2023

SaparotRob said:
Is USS Wisconsin available?

Nope, besides, a Tichonderoga class cruiser would be perfect for "bumping" a Chinese Coastguard ship (more like bitch-slapping) unlike a Battlewagon, which would plow them under and grind their corpses.

Which would be preferable, but most certainly over the top in the media and public opinion's eyes.

Shinpachi · Oct 23, 2023

nuuumannn said:
The government maybe, but the Belt and Road policy also relies heavily on proxy wealthy individuals who act on behalf of the CCP to further Chinese interests.

"She also stressed the importance of allowing companies and the market to determine what to do, as economic viability holds the key to their success."

From here: an article that stresses international cooperation in fulfilling the initiative.

http://english.www.gov.cn/news/top_news/2015/07/27/content_281475155504560.htm

This is informative, if not a bit propagandistic. Useful for an insight into Chinese policy thinking.

http://english.www.gov.cn/beltAndRoad/

A nation's or politician's eloquence is always false.
Asians know this well too.

Admiral Beez · Nov 12, 2023

From the latest Economist. Click to enlarge.

Admiral Beez · Jan 25, 2024

nuuumannn said:
...the Belt and Road policy also relies heavily on proxy wealthy individuals who act on behalf of the CCP to further Chinese interests.

It does seem to be on the ropes.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvBVNYQ1C-s

Shinpachi · Jan 25, 2024

類似於沙灘上的房子的計劃
A project like a house built on sand.

SaparotRob · Jan 25, 2024

Admiral Beez said:
It does seem to be on the ropes.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvBVNYQ1C-s

I've seen thumbnails from this channel before. Any idea on their reliability?

Admiral Beez · Jan 25, 2024

SaparotRob said:
I've seen thumbnails from this channel before. Any idea on their reliability?

It seems like clickbait, but this particular piece on China's failures at overseas real estate seem accurate enough.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeNRC_z3gw

Admiral Beez · Jan 25, 2024

Militarily speaking, it looks like their military is kneecapped by corruption.

I'll be surprised if their aircraft carrier Fujian enters fully operational service with functional EMALS before 2030.

Our Best Look At China's Nearly Completed New Aircraft Carrier

New official visuals of the carrier released by Chinese state media show it looking close to completion, foreshadowing upcoming sea trials.

www.thedrive.com

WARSPITER · Jan 25, 2024

Admiral Beez said:
Militarily speaking, it looks like their military is kneecapped by corruption.

I'll be surprised if their aircraft carrier Fujian enters fully operational service with functional EMALS before 2030.

Our Best Look At China's Nearly Completed New Aircraft Carrier

New official visuals of the carrier released by Chinese state media show it looking close to completion, foreshadowing upcoming sea trials.

www.thedrive.com

Good assumption. Other than that, what the hell did they build it for anyway ?

Thumpalumpacus · Jan 25, 2024

WARSPITER said:
Good assumption. Other than that, what the hell did they build it for anyway ?

To demonstrate to the world that they've arrived, to display the trappings of a superpower.

WARSPITER · Jan 25, 2024

Thumpalumpacus said:
To demonstrate to the world that they've arrived, to display the trappings of a superpower.

Slight flaw there too as the carrier doesn't seem to be able to arrive anywhere at the moment - or at least
the aircraft it carries can't.

Denniss · Jan 26, 2024

The problem with these chinese-made buildings (or other infrastructure like roads to nowhere): even if they proved to be a waste of money the countries those were built in have to pay back the loan given by china.

GrauGeist · Jan 26, 2024

"Pay back loans" often means "concessions", like bases - as is happening in Africa.

Thumpalumpacus · Jan 26, 2024

WARSPITER said:
Slight flaw there too as the carrier doesn't seem to be able to arrive anywhere at the moment - or at least
the aircraft it carries can't.

It's not yet complete. The big flaw is the lack of a useful doctrine in its employment.

Thumpalumpacus · Jan 26, 2024

Denniss said:
The problem with these chinese-made buildings (or other infrastructure like roads to nowhere): even if they proved to be a waste of money the countries those were built in have to pay back the loan given by china.

That's the hook inside the bait.

WARSPITER · Jan 26, 2024

Thumpalumpacus said:
It's not yet complete. The big flaw is the lack of a useful doctrine in its employment.

We know that but the Chinese government didn't when they announced it ready (oops).

Admiral Beez · Jan 26, 2024

WARSPITER said:
Good assumption. Other than that, what the hell did they build it for anyway ?

Same reason the South Americans wanted dreadnoughts, everyone else has one. But with everyone else in the Indo-Pacific except the USA, from the Indians, Japanese, Australians and Thais, is making due with STOBAR or VSTOL flattops of various sizes (I assume that's why the Canberra class LHD have ski jumps); Beijing wants something that betters than them all, a CATOBAR carrier, and actually the world's only non-nuclear powered CATOBAR carrier - though that's no boast. If it wasn't for its parsimonious Exchequer, Britain's QE class could have been in this category too.

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